I can see the value in this, but I don't get why it needs to be a SaaS. Don't get me wrong; a revenue stream for something this obviously useful is great! But why not just make it dual licensing; non-commercial projects get it under AGPL or some custom license that prevents them from using it commercially. Everyone else gets a bog-standard yearly license or such... Why not?
It would be nice to try it with SAAS and then buy a local license.
It is similar to the Tydbit device [0] where you can program the device but it runs on their cloud. That is fine unless Tydbit goes out of business. That fear of loss stopped me from doing too much programming with it.
I was trying to hack mine to use it with an app I want to create for personal use. Currently only prints using the official Fun Print app over a bluetooth connection.
There are projects[0]that are supposed to work with a cat printer but mine specifically isn’t. It identifies itself as “MXW01” , which is different that the printers tested.
Funny, just today I finished reversing a similar toy printer, the "bear" printer, not the "cat" one, and writing a driver/library for it in Rust just for the sake of finally learning a bit of it.
Looking at the code you shared, it seems like the cat has quite a different protocol than the bear. The opcodes seem different, and there seems to be some sort of crc happening that is completely absent in the bear. So I doubt my code will work without major adjustments.
In case you missed it, the first link you shared also has a "test unknown printer", so maybe yours is just a minor hardware iteration but might work nonetheless!
I managed to get it going through inspecting the bluetooth packages, now building my app for it. Couldn't get the correct image output yet but it appears to be simple, just have to send the image line by line
Most likely the logic is at least similar. Yes, line by line, each line is encoded in bytes where each bit is a pixel. I had to "invert" the image as the printer will print the "white" pixels (those with a value >0).
The printer has an internal buffer so you can send multiple lines at the same time, but on the bear this starts to break down after 200 lines or so (consider that the bear has a higher 300 dpi resolution, so 576 pixel per line). Also pay attention to overheating, I put 1 or 2 seconds of pause every 400 lines just in case.
This is a great idea, and it looks like you've done a great job! I share your enthusiasm for these printers. I have a Rongta receipt printer sitting on my desk that I like to play with :-)
I have a business usecase for something like this (now that Chrome doesn't allow printing to ESC/POS), and exposing the printer interface as an HTTP API is a clever and great solution! But, sending the data through a third party is a complete no-go for us for reasons of compliance. For this architecture to work for us we would have to host it on our VPN and serve it from our own domain as our customers have a strict whitelist.
As cool an idea as this is, honestly though I don't think this should be a SaaS. Certainly it doesn't fit the typical mold of SaaS where there's nothing to install because it's all delivered through the web. Given you have to install a local Pi or other, you lose all the benefits of SaaS and also incur all the downsides of SaaS. It feels like it was shoehorned into a SaaS because otherwise it would be very hard to monetize. I don't blame you for that because it is indeed a hard problem to figure out how to get paid (in fact I've abandoned good ideas prevously because it was either SaaSify something that shouldn't be a SaaS or else face huge obstacles getting paid), but I wanted to share my thoughts honestly.
Thank you for the detailed feedback! I really appreciate you sharing your perspective, especially about the compliance requirements. You're right, and you're not alone - many others in the thread have expressed similar concerns about the SaaS approach. After taking some time to reflect, I've decided to pivot towards a dual-track solution:
1. A free, self-hostable version for businesses with compliance requirements or those who prefer to maintain their own infrastructure
2. A cloud version for users who want a managed solution
I'll be working on both versions over the next few weeks. :)
That's great news! Seriously, kudos to you for taking such feedback so constructively. I do really think this could be a great path for you. Particularly once the core product is giong, you could look into add SSO, RBAC, and other enterprise-y management features and have a legit open product that makes money selling managed/hosted services to corps. This is niche enough yet common enough that I could see it being very attractive to people building higher level products!
Let me know if I can be of help. I've got quite a bit of devops/infra experience especially containers and kubernetes, as well as mostly backend dev (though enough frontend to be considered "full stack" by many, but IMHO I'm not great at frontend). Very happy to help consult!
Interestingly I made this same exact thing a few years ago for a company I worked at.
Raspberry pi connects to the printer, pi runs a daemon, Daemon connects to a central server and downloads stuff to print, server runs an API with a friendly endpoint.
Difference with mine is that I used CUPS on the pi and generated PDFs for it. I supplied a custom PPD to make the printouts extra crisp, but other than that the OS handled it for me. What I wrote was little more than a PDF generator and a basic spooler.
I can attest that this method is very reliable, if you're looking for confirmation that this architecture can be used in production.
I do question whether it's worth paying for this as a SaaS though. Speaking as someone who has built this, I'd probably build it again and it doesn't take long to get "good enough". The bulk of my time was spent on improving the printout quality from the built-in driver. Which was fun but unnecessary.
This is really cool. I used to enjoy toying with thermal printers until I found out the paper is coated with a very fine dust of BPA. Still they sell thermal printer cameras on Amazon marketed for children
Look for kitchen printers. They're dot-matrix / ink ribbon receipt printers for use in restaurant kitchens, where the plate warmers and other sources of heat will turn thermal paper completely black. So, instead, they use rolls of ordinary bond paper.
The fact that they make a loud noise every time an order comes through is useful for a restaurant kitchen, too.
Yes, it's a used as a developer, but as is common in many cases when replacing chemicals with other chemicals -- similar chemicals have similar properties. And in fact, some BPA-free thermal paper use BPS for example.
The question is who is reputable. Even when buying from a well known store, I don’t know how they audit their suppliers, because the paper is bound to be made by some company I’ve never heard of.
Yeah I would assume that given how easy it is to start a new Amazon seller account and how impossible it is for some random seller in China to face legal repercussions from the US, the likelihood of finding an “_____-free” item to actually be made of whatever the cheapest and most readily available formulation is. (Including the _____), is pretty high.
Yeah, I've had a couple of odd looks from other people in the supermarket when my daughter's piped up about not being allowed to touch the shopping receipts, haha.
I do get the impression companies are beginning to move back to traditional printed receipts, at least a bit, here in the UK.
Inspired by other receipt printer projects on HN, I just purchased a MUNBYN P075 printer last week. I thought it was going to be a lot more complex than it was. I thought I'd have to write ESC/POS codes manually to generate images, for example. But, it's actually quite simple, since there is a printer driver.
I also decided to make a text file for my daily progress report and shoot that over to the printer with `nc`. The only ESC/POS code I'm using is to send the cut command.
I'm also surprised how FAST these printers are now.
Everyone I told I was buying a thermal receipt printer gives me an inquisitive look. I expected that from a lot of people but I was surprised to get the same response from the tech people I work with.
Reminds me of BERG's Little Printer (2012). Someone updated the software stack for em! Nice app, great system, lots of sweet social features & good tools.
Alas it seems built around a specific thermal printer, isn't generic.
Nice! you've built a whole product around and the Twitch demo is great.
In case you need a very basic version of this, I've created a project some time ago, where you can print text over a template, also trough an API and using ESC/POS compatible printers:
In case you don't want to create an account, you can just comment with your prompts and I will enter them myself. You can watch let it print on https://twitch.tv/printercow then. :)
Ok how about a D&D style character sheet for a Lvl 2. Aarakocra barbarian. Lets make it brief and fun with emojis and include prompts for basic rolls and a way to keep track of health points by filling in bubbles or boxes.
Interesting project. I am assuming this is not geared towards business clients who print thousands of labels a day, but more of a fun things to print to thermal printers for individuals? Correct me if I am wrong.
I like the twitch stream, fun approach.
I've wrote quite a few labels in ZPL, which is used for Zebra printers. The reason I've used ZPL code is that serialization happens on the printer itself. Therefore, it is an easy fire and forget.
Can this integrate with a zebra printer? Can this handle large number of prints? Serialization?
I am using Printercow for another project of mine where I developed a POS-system where many thousands receipts need to be printed. This was one of the motivations. AI was kind of a afterthought. :P
Aww, I was hoping you'd done something fun with the actual firmware of the printer to turn it into something that can receive requests, but its just printing from a pi
This is nice! Was looking for exactly a similar feature in a previous HN discussion [0]. Want something that I can integrate with IFTTT/Zapier.
I was looking to buy one of ESC/POS compatible printer but none of the official sites seem to sell directly on the site and have to contact their sales to get a quote. I see a few on ebay and from third party sellers in Amazon.
Does anyone have a recommendation on where to buy an official / new one without going through the sales call hassle? Or buying from 3rd parties is the only option?
I've used Rongta thermal printers a fair bit, I've found them to be cost effective and easy to use. I mostly use them via WebUSB and some random JS ESC/POS lib.
Though I have never bought directly from Rongta.
Very cool. I created a thermal printer project a few years back that prints (low quality) proxies of Magic: the Gathering cards based on the rules for "Momir Basic". It was a fun project, though formatting images to work with the various ESC/POS image formats was quite a challenge.
Very cool! I did a similar project with an accompanying app that connected to one of these inexpensive printers over Bluetooth in order to play a Discord, Lord of Disharmony commander deck in person.
The portability of the whole setup makes it easy to bring to an LGS, it's always a treat to see people's reactions when I pull out the printer and they see how the deck works!
300 free prints? Signing up? AI integration? What?
You may be building something cool, I don’t know, but it clearly looks to be different from just providing printer integration. That should be running locally, as a simple application, on an ESP32 or Raspberry Pi.
Speaks nothing against this - though give it some time to leave the alpha phase. Hosting is super easy using Docker and e.g. Coolify as PaaS right now.
This could be plain software on any computer with network and a serial port. Not sure if the product is tied to RP hardware but it certainly wouldn't have to be. I work with thermal printers controlled by significantly less powerful hardware still running Linux, and still easily hit physical speed limits.
I'd rather see this as a pure software daemon that can run anywhere.
Thanks so much!
Elixir was on my list but decided for Fastify (Node v22), Postgres and Vue3 in the end as these are the things I am more familiar with. :)
The command is on the Printercow homepage - though proper docs are coming by end of the week.
Raspberry Pi Installation:
- Open Raspberry Pi Imager
- Select Raspberry Pi OS Lite (32bit)
--> Lite is without desktop environment and saves some Memory on the PI :)
- Start the Pi and enter:
curl -fsSL https://printercow.com/pi/install.sh -o install.sh \
&& chmod +x install.sh \
&& sudo ./install.sh
I work with restaurants— i think this could be quite usefull for them and for our product.
Do you have an email i can reach out on, ideally would like to have a quick chat. The sooner the better. I think i have some people who could use this right now
From my limited experience working as systems for a large retailer. Thermal paper is more expensive, but the printers are cheaper and more reliable. It's not massive - I would estimate about ~20% difference - of course this can depend on print counts. Having printers down can have a much larger operational impact than the difference between types.
Interesting concept. I'm assuming since this is being done as a SaaS (which I understand, want to be compensated for your time), there's no way to run a server locally over wifi without allowing external internet access?
I'm not sure what the point of this really is. Many of those printers and POS systems have OpenCUPS support already, which is more or less "one command". If it requires a Raspberry Pi I have no idea what you are selling. Can you please elaborate on this?
Valid question. Printercow is aiming for a plug-and-play scenario where you can use whatever thermal printer you want with an extensive html-like template engine.
I've got a bunch of thermal printers in my work lab that definitely don't have this but they all support ESC/POS. They're all currently produced kiosk style printers.
long shot: I’ve got a USB-based ESC/POS printer, but couldn’t get my mac nor RPI to recognize it as a printer through CUPS.
The printer shows up in the USB tree, but (maybe?) needs a driver to be recognized as a “printer”? I was trying to follow tutorials that treated it as a line printer, but unsuccessfully.
Any idea how much luck I will have if I try this out? Does this project rely on working drivers? Or does it handle the raw USB communication?
Some of these show up as USB to serial converters and while you do need appropriate kernel drivers for that, they'll never be recognized as a "printer". Still usable though.
When it comes to regular ink/laser printers: yes. When it comes to thermal printers, you are normally left alone with just the ESC/P protocol, plus most printers handle the commands in a different way. The way I solved this issue is to write an image buffer directly to the printer, circumventing the protocol and always ensuring that prints look the same regardless of the printer.
> I'm particularly excited about the AI integration possibilities. Instead of yet another chat interface, you can have AI generate content that exists in the physical world – artwork, poems, todo lists, custom receipts, etc.
Incredible. Instead of just creating online trash that nobody wants to read, it can create physical trash too! For maximum art, it can feed directly into a shredder.
Totally get the resentment. However, I'm particularly excited about the benefits this could bring, especially for people like my grandma with dementia. She could say, "Print my shopping list," or "Can you write down my son's phone number?" Only thing missing for now is smarter home assistant devices as Alexa is too dumb to handle such requests. :/
I currently use a local LLM to scan my notes, meeting transcripts, todo list and calendar. I currently have an iPad that displays some items (e.g. if I have important personal tasks to do today that I might have forgotten) and I would love it to be printed out like this.
Nothing to do with generating novel text, it's just used as a flexible API to my existing text and items.
No, just computer notes. Currently on llama3.2 text-only 3B, running on an M3 Macbook Pro.
Accuracy is good for my limited use case (extracting context, giving me links and reminders).
It's not yet good enough (for me) at summarising larger notesets, it might miss out useful / pertinent things in a way Claude does not.
I'd also like it to be better at inferring partial context from audio transcriptions. But hey, it's an open source 2GB model running on my laptop, it'll get better.
A shredding company that automatically scans and uploads your documents before securely disposing of them. The scanned text is then used to train AI. It’s like the physical equivalent of ignoring robots.txt.
Is there something out there like this that is self-hosted? It’s ridiculous that this isn’t, and it’s going to become a pay-per-print model?! I don’t care about the AI nonsense, it’s a printer.
I could see myself using something like this to print recipes. I’d like to avoid getting my fancy cook book dirty, but have still have recipe in the kitchen to reference. Phone works okay until you have to scroll with dirty/wet hands.
// Hardcoded token for authentication
$authToken = 'your-secure-token-here';
// Set the printer name (adjust to your printer's name)
$printerName = 'YourPrinterName';
// Allow only POST requests
if ($_SERVER['REQUEST_METHOD'] !== 'POST') {
http_response_code(405);
echo json_encode(['error' => 'Method not allowed. Use POST.']);
exit;
}
// Check for token in the request
if (empty($_POST['token']) || $_POST['token'] !== $authToken) {
http_response_code(401);
echo json_encode(['error' => 'Unauthorized: Invalid token.']);
exit;
}
// Check if a file was uploaded
if (empty($_FILES['file']) || $_FILES['file']['error'] !== UPLOAD_ERR_OK) {
http_response_code(400);
echo json_encode(['error' => 'No file uploaded or file upload error.']);
exit;
}
// Get the uploaded file path
$uploadedFile = $_FILES['file']['tmp_name'];
$fileName = basename($_FILES['file']['name']);
// Use lp command to print the file
$command = escapeshellcmd("lp -d " . escapeshellarg($printerName) . " " . escapeshellarg($uploadedFile));
exec($command, $output, $status);
// Check the status of the command
if ($status === 0) {
http_response_code(200);
echo json_encode(['success' => "File '$fileName' sent to printer '$printerName'."]);
} else {
http_response_code(500);
echo json_encode(['error' => 'Failed to print the file.']);
}
I don’t think you can just send any document to a thermal printer and have it come out usable… there’s definitely value in software that can _convert_ arbitrary data to whatever format/dimensions/etc the thermal printer needs. Like the post mentions automatic dithering of images. Stuff like that. The HTTP glue is not the hard part.
I imagine the software presented here does a lot more than proxy requests to a printer though. What sorts of payloads were you sending off to be printed? If it worked Good Enough for lightly formatted text, no-hosted is way better than self-hosted!
1. A plain text "progress report" that tells me some personal stats about my week last week.
2. Full designs created in Affinity Designer, which print with the simple "print" menu. These can have any font, graphic, or whatever.
I was able to send everything from plain text with a scroll and cut ESC/POS command on the end (my automated progress report), to an image sent directly to the printer queue, to a pixel perfect desktop design document.
> I could see myself using something like this to print recipes.
The home equivalent of a fast food kitchen ticket printer!
I think this is a fun little project, but only until people discover how annoying thermal printers are in actual use, combining all the user-hostility of printers with a tiny form factor.
If you want a really unique gimmick, you can get wireless bluetooth thermal printers that have belt loops. Intended as table-side receipt printers for waitstaff or ticket printers for transit.
Another unique feature receipt printers often have that regular ones don't: a 24V pulse "kicker", intended for firing the release solenoid on cash drawers. I'm sure someone can find a use for that.
A regular printer, a binder, and a three-hole punch work fine. As a bonus, the printer is also useful in other ways, and any mementos produced with it will last in a way thermal paper never really does.
Yes, it does, and we have one for some recipes. It’s bulkier than these would be, and we don’t have a lot of counter space. Also doesn’t solve the disposable problem. We have plastic sheets to protect the pages which works good enough, and it’s easy to print new pages if some get soiled anyway.
I don’t want mementos, I want disposable references.
It’s also not that big of a deal if this isn’t feasible, because the binder works fine, the phone works fine. This is just sparked a “hey, what if…” idea is all.
I really like the proposal from black_puppydog here. Free forever self-host and a pay-per-print in case you want to have support or don't want to hassle with the infrastructure. Like Coolify is doing it.
Not fully decided on the payment yet. Thinking about going the Coolify route with self-hosted and cloud option or with pay what you use (seems more software tending to this one). Happy for any feedback!
I can see the value in this, but I don't get why it needs to be a SaaS. Don't get me wrong; a revenue stream for something this obviously useful is great! But why not just make it dual licensing; non-commercial projects get it under AGPL or some custom license that prevents them from using it commercially. Everyone else gets a bog-standard yearly license or such... Why not?
I completely agree with this.
It would be nice to try it with SAAS and then buy a local license.
It is similar to the Tydbit device [0] where you can program the device but it runs on their cloud. That is fine unless Tydbit goes out of business. That fear of loss stopped me from doing too much programming with it.
I think the same may be true here.
[0] https://tidbyt.com
I like this! Thanks for the feedback!
I have a home project that is actually a great fit for this, but a SaaS service would be a hard stop. Self-hosted or bust for my use case.
I mean, it would be a waste of _your_ resources to host it for my use case too!
We're long past the point where most people have a computer in their pocket and not one on their desk
Okay, the question is: Can it print with a Cat Printer?
You know, the cheap toy-like printers? Like this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Portable-Instant-Bluetooth-Wireless...
I was trying to hack mine to use it with an app I want to create for personal use. Currently only prints using the official Fun Print app over a bluetooth connection.
There are projects[0]that are supposed to work with a cat printer but mine specifically isn’t. It identifies itself as “MXW01” , which is different that the printers tested.
[0] https://github.com/NaitLee/Cat-Printer https://github.com/bitbank2/Print2BLE
As far as I understand it:
If it supports ESC/POS commands then yes, otherwise no.
Funny, just today I finished reversing a similar toy printer, the "bear" printer, not the "cat" one, and writing a driver/library for it in Rust just for the sake of finally learning a bit of it.
Looking at the code you shared, it seems like the cat has quite a different protocol than the bear. The opcodes seem different, and there seems to be some sort of crc happening that is completely absent in the bear. So I doubt my code will work without major adjustments.
In case you missed it, the first link you shared also has a "test unknown printer", so maybe yours is just a minor hardware iteration but might work nonetheless!
I managed to get it going through inspecting the bluetooth packages, now building my app for it. Couldn't get the correct image output yet but it appears to be simple, just have to send the image line by line
Most likely the logic is at least similar. Yes, line by line, each line is encoded in bytes where each bit is a pixel. I had to "invert" the image as the printer will print the "white" pixels (those with a value >0).
The printer has an internal buffer so you can send multiple lines at the same time, but on the bear this starts to break down after 200 lines or so (consider that the bear has a higher 300 dpi resolution, so 576 pixel per line). Also pay attention to overheating, I put 1 or 2 seconds of pause every 400 lines just in case.
This is a great idea, and it looks like you've done a great job! I share your enthusiasm for these printers. I have a Rongta receipt printer sitting on my desk that I like to play with :-)
I have a business usecase for something like this (now that Chrome doesn't allow printing to ESC/POS), and exposing the printer interface as an HTTP API is a clever and great solution! But, sending the data through a third party is a complete no-go for us for reasons of compliance. For this architecture to work for us we would have to host it on our VPN and serve it from our own domain as our customers have a strict whitelist.
As cool an idea as this is, honestly though I don't think this should be a SaaS. Certainly it doesn't fit the typical mold of SaaS where there's nothing to install because it's all delivered through the web. Given you have to install a local Pi or other, you lose all the benefits of SaaS and also incur all the downsides of SaaS. It feels like it was shoehorned into a SaaS because otherwise it would be very hard to monetize. I don't blame you for that because it is indeed a hard problem to figure out how to get paid (in fact I've abandoned good ideas prevously because it was either SaaSify something that shouldn't be a SaaS or else face huge obstacles getting paid), but I wanted to share my thoughts honestly.
Thank you for the detailed feedback! I really appreciate you sharing your perspective, especially about the compliance requirements. You're right, and you're not alone - many others in the thread have expressed similar concerns about the SaaS approach. After taking some time to reflect, I've decided to pivot towards a dual-track solution:
1. A free, self-hostable version for businesses with compliance requirements or those who prefer to maintain their own infrastructure 2. A cloud version for users who want a managed solution
I'll be working on both versions over the next few weeks. :)
That's great news! Seriously, kudos to you for taking such feedback so constructively. I do really think this could be a great path for you. Particularly once the core product is giong, you could look into add SSO, RBAC, and other enterprise-y management features and have a legit open product that makes money selling managed/hosted services to corps. This is niche enough yet common enough that I could see it being very attractive to people building higher level products!
Let me know if I can be of help. I've got quite a bit of devops/infra experience especially containers and kubernetes, as well as mostly backend dev (though enough frontend to be considered "full stack" by many, but IMHO I'm not great at frontend). Very happy to help consult!
Since this is basically just a thin wrapper around node-thermal-printer, how much of your SaaS revenue is going back to the author of that project?
Interestingly I made this same exact thing a few years ago for a company I worked at.
Raspberry pi connects to the printer, pi runs a daemon, Daemon connects to a central server and downloads stuff to print, server runs an API with a friendly endpoint.
Difference with mine is that I used CUPS on the pi and generated PDFs for it. I supplied a custom PPD to make the printouts extra crisp, but other than that the OS handled it for me. What I wrote was little more than a PDF generator and a basic spooler.
I can attest that this method is very reliable, if you're looking for confirmation that this architecture can be used in production.
I do question whether it's worth paying for this as a SaaS though. Speaking as someone who has built this, I'd probably build it again and it doesn't take long to get "good enough". The bulk of my time was spent on improving the printout quality from the built-in driver. Which was fun but unnecessary.
This is really cool. I used to enjoy toying with thermal printers until I found out the paper is coated with a very fine dust of BPA. Still they sell thermal printer cameras on Amazon marketed for children
Look for kitchen printers. They're dot-matrix / ink ribbon receipt printers for use in restaurant kitchens, where the plate warmers and other sources of heat will turn thermal paper completely black. So, instead, they use rolls of ordinary bond paper.
The fact that they make a loud noise every time an order comes through is useful for a restaurant kitchen, too.
The Epson TM-U220 is one model to consider.
Indeed. But there are some good BPA-free alternatives on the market
Is there any way to verify that without getting a Lab to do an analysis? I'm not sure if I can trust stuff labelled BPA-Free from Amazon for example.
Even if they are, that doesn't mean they're safer
https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/are-bpa-substitutes-any-s...
That study looked at 6 similar plasticizers.
The alternative chemicals for thermal paper are totally different. That's not to say that they are guaranteed safe, but that study is inapplicable.
E.g. one type of paper claims to use Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C). No idea what else is in it of course, but it's not a BGA-analogue plasticizer.
> E.g. one type of paper claims to use Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C). No idea what else is in it of course, but it's not a BGA-analogue plasticizer.
How would you know it doesn't, if you don't know what's in it?
Regardless, my point is that many BPA-analogue containing products advertise their BPA-free status.
My comment was that BPA is not used in thermal paper as a plasticizer, which that linked study was examining.
Yes, it's a used as a developer, but as is common in many cases when replacing chemicals with other chemicals -- similar chemicals have similar properties. And in fact, some BPA-free thermal paper use BPS for example.
Buy from a reputable seller for anything important, instead of amazon.
Or, there are apparently at-home testing chemicals that look simple to use. I haven't done it myself though.
The question is who is reputable. Even when buying from a well known store, I don’t know how they audit their suppliers, because the paper is bound to be made by some company I’ve never heard of.
Yeah I would assume that given how easy it is to start a new Amazon seller account and how impossible it is for some random seller in China to face legal repercussions from the US, the likelihood of finding an “_____-free” item to actually be made of whatever the cheapest and most readily available formulation is. (Including the _____), is pretty high.
Yeah, I've had a couple of odd looks from other people in the supermarket when my daughter's piped up about not being allowed to touch the shopping receipts, haha.
I do get the impression companies are beginning to move back to traditional printed receipts, at least a bit, here in the UK.
Inspired by other receipt printer projects on HN, I just purchased a MUNBYN P075 printer last week. I thought it was going to be a lot more complex than it was. I thought I'd have to write ESC/POS codes manually to generate images, for example. But, it's actually quite simple, since there is a printer driver.
I also decided to make a text file for my daily progress report and shoot that over to the printer with `nc`. The only ESC/POS code I'm using is to send the cut command.
I'm also surprised how FAST these printers are now.
Everyone I told I was buying a thermal receipt printer gives me an inquisitive look. I expected that from a lot of people but I was surprised to get the same response from the tech people I work with.
Anyway, they are lovely little devices.
Great choice MUNBYN printers are awesome! Recently I found that NETUM thermal printers are even cheaper for comparable performance. :)
Reminds me of BERG's Little Printer (2012). Someone updated the software stack for em! Nice app, great system, lots of sweet social features & good tools.
Alas it seems built around a specific thermal printer, isn't generic.
https://nordprojects.co/projects/littleprinters https://github.com/nordprojects/sirius?tab=readme-ov-file https://github.com/nordprojects/littleprinters-ios-app
berg didn't charge for use, just for the printer.. of course they also didn't last long.
Nice! you've built a whole product around and the Twitch demo is great.
In case you need a very basic version of this, I've created a project some time ago, where you can print text over a template, also trough an API and using ESC/POS compatible printers:
https://github.com/emi420/esc-pos-server-print
In case you don't want to create an account, you can just comment with your prompts and I will enter them myself. You can watch let it print on https://twitch.tv/printercow then. :)
Ok how about a D&D style character sheet for a Lvl 2. Aarakocra barbarian. Lets make it brief and fun with emojis and include prompts for basic rolls and a way to keep track of health points by filling in bubbles or boxes.
We've got you covered!
https://sales-and-dungeons.app/
Interesting project. I am assuming this is not geared towards business clients who print thousands of labels a day, but more of a fun things to print to thermal printers for individuals? Correct me if I am wrong.
I like the twitch stream, fun approach.
I've wrote quite a few labels in ZPL, which is used for Zebra printers. The reason I've used ZPL code is that serialization happens on the printer itself. Therefore, it is an easy fire and forget.
Can this integrate with a zebra printer? Can this handle large number of prints? Serialization?
I am using Printercow for another project of mine where I developed a POS-system where many thousands receipts need to be printed. This was one of the motivations. AI was kind of a afterthought. :P
Aww, I was hoping you'd done something fun with the actual firmware of the printer to turn it into something that can receive requests, but its just printing from a pi
This is nice! Was looking for exactly a similar feature in a previous HN discussion [0]. Want something that I can integrate with IFTTT/Zapier.
I was looking to buy one of ESC/POS compatible printer but none of the official sites seem to sell directly on the site and have to contact their sales to get a quote. I see a few on ebay and from third party sellers in Amazon.
Does anyone have a recommendation on where to buy an official / new one without going through the sales call hassle? Or buying from 3rd parties is the only option?
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42599784
I found this one at B&H:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1789487-REG/epson_c31...
Thanks for checking on this. Will look into this model.
I've used Rongta thermal printers a fair bit, I've found them to be cost effective and easy to use. I mostly use them via WebUSB and some random JS ESC/POS lib. Though I have never bought directly from Rongta.
Yeah Rongta brands are the ones that come up frequently when I search on Amazon. Will check them out. Thanks.
Very cool. I created a thermal printer project a few years back that prints (low quality) proxies of Magic: the Gathering cards based on the rules for "Momir Basic". It was a fun project, though formatting images to work with the various ESC/POS image formats was quite a challenge.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/formats/momir-basic https://imgur.com/gallery/momir-basic-irl-g2S3hJT
Very cool! I did a similar project with an accompanying app that connected to one of these inexpensive printers over Bluetooth in order to play a Discord, Lord of Disharmony commander deck in person.
The portability of the whole setup makes it easy to bring to an LGS, it's always a treat to see people's reactions when I pull out the printer and they see how the deck works!
300 free prints? Signing up? AI integration? What?
You may be building something cool, I don’t know, but it clearly looks to be different from just providing printer integration. That should be running locally, as a simple application, on an ESP32 or Raspberry Pi.
Trying to SaaS an infra utility is crazy.
What's the story if you want to self-host?
Speaks nothing against this - though give it some time to leave the alpha phase. Hosting is super easy using Docker and e.g. Coolify as PaaS right now.
Is there a public repo?
This could be plain software on any computer with network and a serial port. Not sure if the product is tied to RP hardware but it certainly wouldn't have to be. I work with thermal printers controlled by significantly less powerful hardware still running Linux, and still easily hit physical speed limits. I'd rather see this as a pure software daemon that can run anywhere.
This is awesome! I have a very hacky prototype doing something similar, you've put way more effort into PrinterCow and it looks great.
What's the tech? (I'm crossing my fingers for Elixir/Nerves but I suspect that's still a bit niche)
Edit, I'm now signed up - though I'm struggling to find the install instructions for the RPi.
Thanks so much! Elixir was on my list but decided for Fastify (Node v22), Postgres and Vue3 in the end as these are the things I am more familiar with. :) The command is on the Printercow homepage - though proper docs are coming by end of the week.
(I meant for the Pi software)
Edit: had a look at the firmware and it's not Nerves - but that's fine! I was just curious :)
Raspberry Pi Installation: - Open Raspberry Pi Imager - Select Raspberry Pi OS Lite (32bit) --> Lite is without desktop environment and saves some Memory on the PI :) - Start the Pi and enter: curl -fsSL https://printercow.com/pi/install.sh -o install.sh \ && chmod +x install.sh \ && sudo ./install.sh
I work with restaurants— i think this could be quite usefull for them and for our product.
Do you have an email i can reach out on, ideally would like to have a quick chat. The sooner the better. I think i have some people who could use this right now
I know nothing about thermal printing.
Does it cost more to print more black? Or is the cost of printing baked into the paper?
In standard printing white is free. Is the opposite (or cost neutral) true for thermal printing?
From my limited experience working as systems for a large retailer. Thermal paper is more expensive, but the printers are cheaper and more reliable. It's not massive - I would estimate about ~20% difference - of course this can depend on print counts. Having printers down can have a much larger operational impact than the difference between types.
Interesting concept. I'm assuming since this is being done as a SaaS (which I understand, want to be compensated for your time), there's no way to run a server locally over wifi without allowing external internet access?
I'm not sure what the point of this really is. Many of those printers and POS systems have OpenCUPS support already, which is more or less "one command". If it requires a Raspberry Pi I have no idea what you are selling. Can you please elaborate on this?
Valid question. Printercow is aiming for a plug-and-play scenario where you can use whatever thermal printer you want with an extensive html-like template engine.
I've got a bunch of thermal printers in my work lab that definitely don't have this but they all support ESC/POS. They're all currently produced kiosk style printers.
long shot: I’ve got a USB-based ESC/POS printer, but couldn’t get my mac nor RPI to recognize it as a printer through CUPS.
The printer shows up in the USB tree, but (maybe?) needs a driver to be recognized as a “printer”? I was trying to follow tutorials that treated it as a line printer, but unsuccessfully.
Any idea how much luck I will have if I try this out? Does this project rely on working drivers? Or does it handle the raw USB communication?
It’s an IBM-branded Type 4610 Model TF6.
Some of these show up as USB to serial converters and while you do need appropriate kernel drivers for that, they'll never be recognized as a "printer". Still usable though.
I do not have a Raspberry Pi laying around, but I do have an Ubuntu computer. Can the Printercow code be executed on my Ubuntu computer?
Love the idea about a demo on twitch. Simple yet effective! Next up, develop a twitch bot interface so you can handle everything directly there
Thanks for the feedback! Thought about this as well! If enough people are interested I'll integrate a one-click install option. :)
The whole twitch demo thing is genius and fun. Do printer companies usually not provide a first party apps or integrations?
When it comes to regular ink/laser printers: yes. When it comes to thermal printers, you are normally left alone with just the ESC/P protocol, plus most printers handle the commands in a different way. The way I solved this issue is to write an image buffer directly to the printer, circumventing the protocol and always ensuring that prints look the same regardless of the printer.
Are prints as clear and as fast printing everything as an image? Or are there some tradeoffs?
The demo is great, would give a try asap.
> I'm particularly excited about the AI integration possibilities. Instead of yet another chat interface, you can have AI generate content that exists in the physical world – artwork, poems, todo lists, custom receipts, etc.
Incredible. Instead of just creating online trash that nobody wants to read, it can create physical trash too! For maximum art, it can feed directly into a shredder.
Totally get the resentment. However, I'm particularly excited about the benefits this could bring, especially for people like my grandma with dementia. She could say, "Print my shopping list," or "Can you write down my son's phone number?" Only thing missing for now is smarter home assistant devices as Alexa is too dumb to handle such requests. :/
It's sad how jaded hn can sometimes be. I love the idea and I think there are so many ways it could be useful.
The results could be interesting...
Mom? Are you cooking crystal meth at home, what is all this for? And why did you bought 500 boxes of condoms?
Extremely shortsighted take.
I currently use a local LLM to scan my notes, meeting transcripts, todo list and calendar. I currently have an iPad that displays some items (e.g. if I have important personal tasks to do today that I might have forgotten) and I would love it to be printed out like this.
Nothing to do with generating novel text, it's just used as a flexible API to my existing text and items.
Is that handwritten notes? What LLM are you using for that and what level of accuracy do you get?
No, just computer notes. Currently on llama3.2 text-only 3B, running on an M3 Macbook Pro.
Accuracy is good for my limited use case (extracting context, giving me links and reminders).
It's not yet good enough (for me) at summarising larger notesets, it might miss out useful / pertinent things in a way Claude does not.
I'd also like it to be better at inferring partial context from audio transcriptions. But hey, it's an open source 2GB model running on my laptop, it'll get better.
Why use ai to feed trash nobody wants to read into a shredder when you can use real people? https://youtu.be/SpNlp6AtTOE
haha :D
Which then again could have AI integrations of its own! Imagine the endless possibilities of AI shredding.
A shredding company that automatically scans and uploads your documents before securely disposing of them. The scanned text is then used to train AI. It’s like the physical equivalent of ignoring robots.txt.
I’m sure YC will fund it.
We, as a society, are at the point where we can afford to waste resources in this dumb way "for art". I personally find this obscene.
I wouldn't worry though, I have a feeling this is going away by the end of the decade.
> For maximum art, it can feed directly into a shredder.
A dumpster fire works well too: https://gizmodo.com/watch-your-feelings-about-2020-burn-in-a...
Is there something out there like this that is self-hosted? It’s ridiculous that this isn’t, and it’s going to become a pay-per-print model?! I don’t care about the AI nonsense, it’s a printer.
I could see myself using something like this to print recipes. I’d like to avoid getting my fancy cook book dirty, but have still have recipe in the kitchen to reference. Phone works okay until you have to scroll with dirty/wet hands.
<?php
// Hardcoded token for authentication $authToken = 'your-secure-token-here';
// Set the printer name (adjust to your printer's name) $printerName = 'YourPrinterName';
// Allow only POST requests if ($_SERVER['REQUEST_METHOD'] !== 'POST') { http_response_code(405); echo json_encode(['error' => 'Method not allowed. Use POST.']); exit; }
// Check for token in the request if (empty($_POST['token']) || $_POST['token'] !== $authToken) { http_response_code(401); echo json_encode(['error' => 'Unauthorized: Invalid token.']); exit; }
// Check if a file was uploaded if (empty($_FILES['file']) || $_FILES['file']['error'] !== UPLOAD_ERR_OK) { http_response_code(400); echo json_encode(['error' => 'No file uploaded or file upload error.']); exit; }
// Get the uploaded file path $uploadedFile = $_FILES['file']['tmp_name']; $fileName = basename($_FILES['file']['name']);
// Use lp command to print the file $command = escapeshellcmd("lp -d " . escapeshellarg($printerName) . " " . escapeshellarg($uploadedFile)); exec($command, $output, $status);
// Check the status of the command if ($status === 0) { http_response_code(200); echo json_encode(['success' => "File '$fileName' sent to printer '$printerName'."]); } else { http_response_code(500); echo json_encode(['error' => 'Failed to print the file.']); }
I don’t think you can just send any document to a thermal printer and have it come out usable… there’s definitely value in software that can _convert_ arbitrary data to whatever format/dimensions/etc the thermal printer needs. Like the post mentions automatic dithering of images. Stuff like that. The HTTP glue is not the hard part.
I was surprised by this, but you can install a driver and simply print to these printers. Or, at least, the one I purchased is that way.
You can also use lp, lpr, or nc to send text and codes to it.
Mine is connected to my network via Ethernet. No RPi is required to send stuff to it from any computer on the network.
I imagine the software presented here does a lot more than proxy requests to a printer though. What sorts of payloads were you sending off to be printed? If it worked Good Enough for lightly formatted text, no-hosted is way better than self-hosted!
I was printing two things...
1. A plain text "progress report" that tells me some personal stats about my week last week.
2. Full designs created in Affinity Designer, which print with the simple "print" menu. These can have any font, graphic, or whatever.
I was able to send everything from plain text with a scroll and cut ESC/POS command on the end (my automated progress report), to an image sent directly to the printer queue, to a pixel perfect desktop design document.
> I could see myself using something like this to print recipes.
The home equivalent of a fast food kitchen ticket printer!
I think this is a fun little project, but only until people discover how annoying thermal printers are in actual use, combining all the user-hostility of printers with a tiny form factor.
If you want a really unique gimmick, you can get wireless bluetooth thermal printers that have belt loops. Intended as table-side receipt printers for waitstaff or ticket printers for transit.
Another unique feature receipt printers often have that regular ones don't: a 24V pulse "kicker", intended for firing the release solenoid on cash drawers. I'm sure someone can find a use for that.
(I spent some time in the POS software mines)
> The home equivalent of a fast food kitchen ticket printer!
Exactly where my head went haha, next thought was having a clip to hold the recipe up :p
A regular printer, a binder, and a three-hole punch work fine. As a bonus, the printer is also useful in other ways, and any mementos produced with it will last in a way thermal paper never really does.
Yes, it does, and we have one for some recipes. It’s bulkier than these would be, and we don’t have a lot of counter space. Also doesn’t solve the disposable problem. We have plastic sheets to protect the pages which works good enough, and it’s easy to print new pages if some get soiled anyway.
I don’t want mementos, I want disposable references.
It’s also not that big of a deal if this isn’t feasible, because the binder works fine, the phone works fine. This is just sparked a “hey, what if…” idea is all.
Once it's out of alpha you can self-host this project
It sounded to me like once it’s out of alpha the pricing model is “TBD, but likely pay-per-print”.
I really like the proposal from black_puppydog here. Free forever self-host and a pay-per-print in case you want to have support or don't want to hassle with the infrastructure. Like Coolify is doing it.
Sounds fine to me! I’d also be happy with a reasonable one-time payment for the self-hosted version.
> everyone gets 300 free prints per month during our beta
Ah, printer drivers. One of the things we do not yet rent. Makes sense.
Not fully decided on the payment yet. Thinking about going the Coolify route with self-hosted and cloud option or with pay what you use (seems more software tending to this one). Happy for any feedback!
I'm going to be the party pooper and point out that thermal paper isn't great for your health: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5453537/
The "Delete Account" button does nothing. Very clever user retention technique.
Sorry, this should definitely work. Try clicking on your avatar -> Manage Accounts -> Security -> Delete Account. Will look into this.