I'm glad someone posted this here. Outside of the 1 block where the protest is happening, you would never know anything is out of the ordinary in Portland.
MAGA isn't really about facts on the ground. It's about repetition of lies and "muzzle velocity".
Independent media gets fatigued calling you out, people tune out or accuse them of bias, and so eventually they just give up and "both sides" it - treating basic facts like an unknowable super-positional state.
I noticed that too. The cynical part of me observed it's a Sinclair-owned news station, and I can't help wondering if they made it unavailable because it doesn't support the position of their corporate owner.
A bunch of them are vegetation fires. We are very dry here right now, so any thrown cigarette is a risk. We are supposed to get some rain this weekend.
Portland has issues with homeless...no one can deny this fact. Things are a little better since hard drugs were recriminalized, but the city is far from "fine".
Oh, are the homeless the reason the National Guard was called in? I thought it was for the protests. /s
Yes, Portland has a homeless issue. It has had one since I moved here in 2013 (and probably before then). Covid made it worse but the issue is slowly getting better. But again, homelessness isn't what the President and Kristi Noem are talking about.
Wildfires don't usually happen downtown...which is what this website seems to be tracking. At least from this 2023 article the number of fires related to the homeless camps is pretty consistent and only the % drops during the summer months.
The rightwing disinformation network is so strong that family members do not believe anything I’m saying about my own city.
Activist billionaire takeovers of media platforms coupled with inflammatory “good enough” AI videos have the potential to irrevocably rupture shared reality.
I don't see how this convinces anyone on the other side that has other evidence that is not being displayed here. Lying through omission used to work before the internet but in the age of social media, a few hand curated fact checks isn't going to shift the needle and probably just makes people more dug in on their positions.
My parents live in a small town in Texas and are in the MAGA camp. They came to Portland a couple of years ago to visit and said "oh, it's not like what was on TV"... Yes, that's what I was trying to tell you.
Now they are saying I should move based on what they see on Fox News. I'm dumbfounded; Don't you remember what it was like when you were here? It hasn't changed.
Part of it is a small town mentality, the big city is just dangerous. The rest of it is just being spoon fed clips of the same protest footage over and over and over again.
I had an argument with someone earlier who commented on a post I'd made and was all in on the MAGA position. They accused me of ignorance and I invited them to post some video of supposedly 'war-ravaged' Portland (a phrase used by the WH press secretary recently). First they told me to go and look on the timelines of their favorite right wing influencers, and when I declined to go on a wild goose chase they followed up with a mix of invective and random factoids, like the Portland fire department responding to 9 fires in the last 24 hours. (Since I live near a fire station in a similarly sized city the idea of a few minor fires every day impresses me not at all.)
It's tedious and unrewarding, but calling people's bluff is somewhat effective.
I'm glad someone posted this here. Outside of the 1 block where the protest is happening, you would never know anything is out of the ordinary in Portland.
For reference: https://imgur.com/a/portland-ice-protests-perspective-lRFsQa...
MAGA isn't really about facts on the ground. It's about repetition of lies and "muzzle velocity".
Independent media gets fatigued calling you out, people tune out or accuse them of bias, and so eventually they just give up and "both sides" it - treating basic facts like an unknowable super-positional state.
A local news station is going to have a 24-hour livestream outside of the ICE detention center - https://katu.com/news/local/24-hours-outside-ice-what-really...
Part of me wishes each stream was accompanied by an obligatory "other side" viewpoint "for balance and objectivity" that showed disaster movie clips.
Meanhile, on the other side of the fence/universe...
https://gizmodo.com/fake-protest-videos-are-the-latest-ai-sl...
The "live" view from the Standard Building is blocked. What are THEY trying to hide?!!!
I noticed that too. The cynical part of me observed it's a Sinclair-owned news station, and I can't help wondering if they made it unavailable because it doesn't support the position of their corporate owner.
This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZggCipbiHwE
Mobile top bar needs a fix (text is overlaying on other text) but this is epic
That anyone thinks burning Portland needs to be debunked is a testament to the insanity of the Trump admin.
PulsePoint embed at the bottom ... 9 fires today as of 4pm PT.
Not sure how many is normal though.
A bunch of them are vegetation fires. We are very dry here right now, so any thrown cigarette is a risk. We are supposed to get some rain this weekend.
https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/03/15/data-shows-fires-at-ho...
Portland has issues with homeless...no one can deny this fact. Things are a little better since hard drugs were recriminalized, but the city is far from "fine".
Oh, are the homeless the reason the National Guard was called in? I thought it was for the protests. /s
Yes, Portland has a homeless issue. It has had one since I moved here in 2013 (and probably before then). Covid made it worse but the issue is slowly getting better. But again, homelessness isn't what the President and Kristi Noem are talking about.
It’s wildfire season unfortunately so some fires are expected
Wildfires don't usually happen downtown...which is what this website seems to be tracking. At least from this 2023 article the number of fires related to the homeless camps is pretty consistent and only the % drops during the summer months.
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I wouldn’t call them wildfires when they’re downtown either. Wildfire season just means it’s hot and dry so fires start easier everywhere
Yep, everything is dry, including the 5,200 park that sits less than a mile from downtown (Forest Park).
The rightwing disinformation network is so strong that family members do not believe anything I’m saying about my own city.
Activist billionaire takeovers of media platforms coupled with inflammatory “good enough” AI videos have the potential to irrevocably rupture shared reality.
I don't see how this convinces anyone on the other side that has other evidence that is not being displayed here. Lying through omission used to work before the internet but in the age of social media, a few hand curated fact checks isn't going to shift the needle and probably just makes people more dug in on their positions.
My parents live in a small town in Texas and are in the MAGA camp. They came to Portland a couple of years ago to visit and said "oh, it's not like what was on TV"... Yes, that's what I was trying to tell you.
Now they are saying I should move based on what they see on Fox News. I'm dumbfounded; Don't you remember what it was like when you were here? It hasn't changed.
Part of it is a small town mentality, the big city is just dangerous. The rest of it is just being spoon fed clips of the same protest footage over and over and over again.
What do you suggest?
I had an argument with someone earlier who commented on a post I'd made and was all in on the MAGA position. They accused me of ignorance and I invited them to post some video of supposedly 'war-ravaged' Portland (a phrase used by the WH press secretary recently). First they told me to go and look on the timelines of their favorite right wing influencers, and when I declined to go on a wild goose chase they followed up with a mix of invective and random factoids, like the Portland fire department responding to 9 fires in the last 24 hours. (Since I live near a fire station in a similarly sized city the idea of a few minor fires every day impresses me not at all.)
It's tedious and unrewarding, but calling people's bluff is somewhat effective.