The fact that it clears the plaques quickly is not what so promising about this drugs candidate.
Unkike monoclonal antibodies of dubious effectiveness like elecanemab, donanemab and cie; this work upstream of the plaques. If a compromised BBB is a cause and not a symptom of another underlying cause this has a chance of doing something positive in the clinic. And that is also why this substance is an interesting leads for ALS and parkison.
Can we stop with that? These drugs were shown to slow down cognitive decline in phase 3 RCTs. Of course, the effect is not as strong as we'd like it to be. But "dubious" it isn't.
Our review of the trial publications found high quality evidence of statistically significant group differences, but also recognized that there are mixed views on the clinical relevance of the observed differences and the value of therapy for individual patients. ...
If patients are treated, then confirmation of AD by positron emission tomography or cerebrospinal fluid analysis and monitoring for risk of amyloid-related imaging abnormalities was recommended, as done in the clinical trials, although it would strain Canadian resource capacity.
I completely agree that the risk/benefit risk of these drugs isn't good.
But to me, the fact that these anti amyloid drugs show even modest effect on cognition puts the burden of proof back on the amyloid skeptics, since removing amyloid changes at least somewhat the course of the disease.
There was enormous controversy about the readout of those studies, with multiple associated people resigning in protest. The wikipedia page on aducanumab[0] highlights some of the problems.
One blurb:
Aducanumab was approved for medical use in the United States by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in June 2021,[8] in a controversial decision that led to the resignation of three advisers to the FDA in the absence of evidence that the medication is effective.[9][10][11] The FDA stated that it represents a first-of-its-kind treatment approved for Alzheimer's disease and that it is the first new treatment approved for Alzheimer's since 2003.[2] Aducanumab's approval is controversial for numerous reasons including ambiguous clinical trial results regarding efficacy, the high cost of the medication and the very high rate of serious adverse events.[12][11] The FDA considers it to be a first-in-class medication.[13]
In November 2020, a panel of outside experts for the FDA concluded that a pivotal study of aducanumab failed to show strong evidence that the medication worked, citing questionable efficacy and multiple red flags found with the data analysis.[14] There were also significant health risks associated with the medication; brain swelling or brain bleeding was found in 41% of patients enrolled in the studies.[15]...
For an industry expert who has had nothing good to say about it, I would consult some of the writings from Derek Lowe. Here is a link to when Biogen pulled the drug[1] and a blurb from Derek
This was a debacle. The entire process (as far as I can see) did no one any good whatsoever - not Alzheimer's patients (first in line), not Biogen, not the FDA. All that talk about how the approval was a "transformational breakthough" (Biogen's PR) is, well, "inoperative" as they used to say in the Nixon administration. In fact, I would argue that the Aduhelm saga has ended up doing a lot of actual damage. It set a precedent, the "Well, they approved this, so why not that?" kind that just sits around causing trouble year after year. Biogen, for example, says that they are now devoting their energies to their second anti-amyloid antibody therapy, lecanemab (Leqembi), but sourpuss that I am, I'm not impressed with that one, either. That's because I think that it is unlikely to actually make a difference to Alzheimer's patients, their families, or their caregivers, while at the same time exposing those patients to risks that are a lot easier to quantify than the drug's possible benefits....
You're focusing on aducanumab but since them other similar drugs have been approved with similar results.
I any case the debate is not on whether the drugs have an impact on the disease (which they do, unequivocally), but on whether the risk/benefit ratio is good enough (on which I'm also not sold, but that's not the question in our discussion).
This is really interesting! Pretty remarkable that the key insight isn't just about crossing the BBB—it's about repairing the transport machinery itself.
We're building BetterBrain around this insight—catching vascular and metabolic risk factors that compromise BBB integrity years before severe pathology. Not replacing breakthrough therapies like this, but complementing them by intervening earlier in the cascade.
(www.betterbrain.com/insurance if anyone would like to try - its $0 with most insurance plans)
This is not my field but: I did a search for polymersome-based drugs on the market, and didn't find anything. Similar drugs might include Doxil. Doxil took 15+ years to commoditize and is around 800USD per dose, so even assuming that this works, it'll be a long time before they are available and expensive. Anyway great to see new ideas being researched.
Yet again. Preventing amyloid-beta buildup cures the mouse model that we have for Alzheimer's. We have on the order of a dozen drugs that got to stage 3 trials based on, "prevents amyloid-beta buildup, and cures mice." In every case we found that we can prevent amyloid-beta buildup in humans as well, but we failed to cure or even halt the progression of Alzheimer's.
In other news, we have shown that taking a shingles vaccine will reduce your odds of getting Alzheimer's.
I am extremely dubious that yet another treatment for amyloid-beta that works on mice, will do anything useful in humans.
Question then: would a shingles infection also be expected to reduce the odds of Alzheimer's?
Just an idle thought, no sources needed or expected, but you'd think that if you actually GOT shingles it'd be the same effect as not getting shingles because you did get the vaccine?
My personal best guess is no. That a low-level shingles infection getting into your brain can cause Alzheimer's. And therefore a shingles infection creates a risk of Alzheimer's.
The way that the vaccine preserves us is by reducing the odds of there being a shingles infection in the first place.
That said, this is only my guess. We do not actually know the mechanism by which the vaccine helps. Nor do I have any evidence or data supporting my guess.
I think they're saying that the only thing the shingles vaccine should cause is the immune response to it, which you should also get from getting shingles, so does getting shingles have the same effect?
Exactly! Grandparent response says (without sources) that "Alzheimer's might be leftover shingles", where my original misinterpretation of it was that "shingles antibodies prevents Alzheimer's".
Of course real research or sources needed, but just some idle curiosity to update my mental map of what's going on.
The herpes zoster vaccine given to the elderly in Wales born after September 1933 [1], which is a live-attenuated vaccine (Zostavax). Recently, a new herpes zoster recombinant subunit vaccine was introduced (Shingrix).
Clickbaitified title: Researchers cure Alzheimer's disease! (in APP/PS1 transgenic AD mice)
Extract suitable for layfolk:
> Current therapeutic approaches have often focused on improving transport efficiency by tuning ligand affinity, particularly in transferrin receptor-targeting strategies, which have demonstrated that mid-affinity interactions can outperform high-affinity binding by avoiding lysosomal routing and promoting transcytosis. While such strategies have opened a new chapter in neuropharmaceutical design, they largely remain transport-centric, concerned with getting molecules into the brain rather than repairing the transport systems themselves. In contrast, the approach presented here seeks to correct the pathological shift in endothelial trafficking, re-establishing a healthy balance between receptor recycling and degradation.
> Experimental evidence confirms that treatment initiates a rapid clearance phase within hours, marked by a substantial reduction in cerebral amyloid load and concurrent elevation of plasma Aβ, consistent with restored vectorial efflux. Pathological imaging reveals depletion of insoluble aggregates across the isocortex, while functional assays demonstrate normalization of transporter stoichiometry and re-coupling of the neurovascular unit. Multiplex immunohistochemistry confirms reactivation of vesicular trafficking from the luminal surface toward the parenchyma, representing a spatial inversion of pathological amyloid dynamics. Most notably, these structural and molecular restorations translate into long-lasting cognitive preservation, with treated animals performing indistinguishably from wild-type controls in complex spatial learning tasks over extended observation periods. The conceptual advance here lies in moving beyond the paradigm of “overcoming the [blood-brain] barrier” toward “repairing the barrier.”
> Looking ahead, the translational journey will require accounting for interspecies differences in receptor glycosylation and membrane composition, as well as vascular pathologies such as cerebral amyloid angiopathy and pericyte loss, which are incompletely recapitulated in murine models. Strategies integrating spatiotemporal mapping of clearance dynamics with human-specific in vitro models, computational simulations under physiological shear stress, and tailored ligand designs informed by patient-specific LRP1 polymorphisms will be essential. The potential extends beyond AD to Parkinson’s, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, and other disorders where vascular transport failure accelerates neurodegeneration.
The fact that it clears the plaques quickly is not what so promising about this drugs candidate.
Unkike monoclonal antibodies of dubious effectiveness like elecanemab, donanemab and cie; this work upstream of the plaques. If a compromised BBB is a cause and not a symptom of another underlying cause this has a chance of doing something positive in the clinic. And that is also why this substance is an interesting leads for ALS and parkison.
> dubious effectiveness
Can we stop with that? These drugs were shown to slow down cognitive decline in phase 3 RCTs. Of course, the effect is not as strong as we'd like it to be. But "dubious" it isn't.
I should probably have used the word efficiency instead of effectiveness because I had in mind the ratio benefits/(costs+risk).
from https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S227458072...
I completely agree that the risk/benefit risk of these drugs isn't good.
But to me, the fact that these anti amyloid drugs show even modest effect on cognition puts the burden of proof back on the amyloid skeptics, since removing amyloid changes at least somewhat the course of the disease.
There was enormous controversy about the readout of those studies, with multiple associated people resigning in protest. The wikipedia page on aducanumab[0] highlights some of the problems. One blurb:
For an industry expert who has had nothing good to say about it, I would consult some of the writings from Derek Lowe. Here is a link to when Biogen pulled the drug[1] and a blurb from Derek [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aducanumab [1]You're focusing on aducanumab but since them other similar drugs have been approved with similar results.
I any case the debate is not on whether the drugs have an impact on the disease (which they do, unequivocally), but on whether the risk/benefit ratio is good enough (on which I'm also not sold, but that's not the question in our discussion).
Recent and related:
New Alzheimer's Treatment Clears Plaques from Brains of Mice Within Hours - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45600581 - Oct 2025 (113 comments)
New nanotherapy clears amyloid-β, reversing symptoms of Alzheimer's in mice - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45528308 - Oct 2025 (137 comments)
This is really interesting! Pretty remarkable that the key insight isn't just about crossing the BBB—it's about repairing the transport machinery itself.
We're building BetterBrain around this insight—catching vascular and metabolic risk factors that compromise BBB integrity years before severe pathology. Not replacing breakthrough therapies like this, but complementing them by intervening earlier in the cascade. (www.betterbrain.com/insurance if anyone would like to try - its $0 with most insurance plans)
This is not my field but: I did a search for polymersome-based drugs on the market, and didn't find anything. Similar drugs might include Doxil. Doxil took 15+ years to commoditize and is around 800USD per dose, so even assuming that this works, it'll be a long time before they are available and expensive. Anyway great to see new ideas being researched.
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45528308
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45600581
Yet again. Preventing amyloid-beta buildup cures the mouse model that we have for Alzheimer's. We have on the order of a dozen drugs that got to stage 3 trials based on, "prevents amyloid-beta buildup, and cures mice." In every case we found that we can prevent amyloid-beta buildup in humans as well, but we failed to cure or even halt the progression of Alzheimer's.
In other news, we have shown that taking a shingles vaccine will reduce your odds of getting Alzheimer's.
I am extremely dubious that yet another treatment for amyloid-beta that works on mice, will do anything useful in humans.
If the herpes virus can increase the odds of getting Alzheimer's, then taking valacyclovir is another thing that can be done to reduce the odds.
Question then: would a shingles infection also be expected to reduce the odds of Alzheimer's?
Just an idle thought, no sources needed or expected, but you'd think that if you actually GOT shingles it'd be the same effect as not getting shingles because you did get the vaccine?
My personal best guess is no. That a low-level shingles infection getting into your brain can cause Alzheimer's. And therefore a shingles infection creates a risk of Alzheimer's.
The way that the vaccine preserves us is by reducing the odds of there being a shingles infection in the first place.
That said, this is only my guess. We do not actually know the mechanism by which the vaccine helps. Nor do I have any evidence or data supporting my guess.
Like getting the measles vaccine and getting measles are the same thing?
I don't think that's quite what they're saying.
I think they're saying that the only thing the shingles vaccine should cause is the immune response to it, which you should also get from getting shingles, so does getting shingles have the same effect?
Seems like a valid question to me.
Exactly! Grandparent response says (without sources) that "Alzheimer's might be leftover shingles", where my original misinterpretation of it was that "shingles antibodies prevents Alzheimer's".
Of course real research or sources needed, but just some idle curiosity to update my mental map of what's going on.
I think your comment was pretty reasonable based on the info in the comment you were replying to.
Succinct and informative.
What vaccine is that?
The herpes zoster vaccine given to the elderly in Wales born after September 1933 [1], which is a live-attenuated vaccine (Zostavax). Recently, a new herpes zoster recombinant subunit vaccine was introduced (Shingrix).
[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08800-x
>A natural experiment on the effect of herpes zoster vaccination on dementia
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08800-x
Clickbaitified title: Researchers cure Alzheimer's disease! (in APP/PS1 transgenic AD mice)
Extract suitable for layfolk:
> Current therapeutic approaches have often focused on improving transport efficiency by tuning ligand affinity, particularly in transferrin receptor-targeting strategies, which have demonstrated that mid-affinity interactions can outperform high-affinity binding by avoiding lysosomal routing and promoting transcytosis. While such strategies have opened a new chapter in neuropharmaceutical design, they largely remain transport-centric, concerned with getting molecules into the brain rather than repairing the transport systems themselves. In contrast, the approach presented here seeks to correct the pathological shift in endothelial trafficking, re-establishing a healthy balance between receptor recycling and degradation.
> Experimental evidence confirms that treatment initiates a rapid clearance phase within hours, marked by a substantial reduction in cerebral amyloid load and concurrent elevation of plasma Aβ, consistent with restored vectorial efflux. Pathological imaging reveals depletion of insoluble aggregates across the isocortex, while functional assays demonstrate normalization of transporter stoichiometry and re-coupling of the neurovascular unit. Multiplex immunohistochemistry confirms reactivation of vesicular trafficking from the luminal surface toward the parenchyma, representing a spatial inversion of pathological amyloid dynamics. Most notably, these structural and molecular restorations translate into long-lasting cognitive preservation, with treated animals performing indistinguishably from wild-type controls in complex spatial learning tasks over extended observation periods. The conceptual advance here lies in moving beyond the paradigm of “overcoming the [blood-brain] barrier” toward “repairing the barrier.”
> Looking ahead, the translational journey will require accounting for interspecies differences in receptor glycosylation and membrane composition, as well as vascular pathologies such as cerebral amyloid angiopathy and pericyte loss, which are incompletely recapitulated in murine models. Strategies integrating spatiotemporal mapping of clearance dynamics with human-specific in vitro models, computational simulations under physiological shear stress, and tailored ligand designs informed by patient-specific LRP1 polymorphisms will be essential. The potential extends beyond AD to Parkinson’s, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, and other disorders where vascular transport failure accelerates neurodegeneration.