By what definition is this local first? You use firebase and the client is not open source or at least downloadable. The definition is that i can keep using the app if your company goes out of business, which is not the case.
It's local-first in the sense that all your financial data is local (synched across your devices), and backed up to your dropbox. Firebase is for auth (e.g. for us to know who you are, manage subscription etc). None of your financial data is kept there. We don't have a decent way to set up and track subscription without that central piece (firebase).
In other words, when the company goes down, there are two concerns:
1st whether you will have access to your data. Yes, and no one else has access to it.
2nd whether you will be able to use the app. We plan to open-source the app when/before that happens. This part, you have to trust us. We don't see an easy way out of this, yet.
I understand your hesitation. But there are already user using it on a regular basis, who care about privacy but trust us to have the auth centralized. It's not for everyone, but it's what we plan to do, at least for near future.
Just a few days ago, saw Finbodhi from paisa project through Anandakumaran's website. Very interesting and loved Opensource projects with focus on end-to-end encryption coming out of India. My best wishes to you!
Sorry, we are not open-source. Also, it's free to use till beta :) although there would be a free plan even after that. We don't plan to open source it till we have enough momentum to support ourselves with the project. This is for profit project. Your data is yours but the software is ours, till the revenue supports us. After which we do plan to open-source it.
1. No current plans for native mobile app. We plan to make the web app somewhat usable on mobile, soon. Eventually, yes we would like to have a native app also.
2. We have few banks supported (HDFC, ICICI). We have custom importer also, where you can define how to map a file to the fields we use. Note that import is manual. E.g. we don't scrape your bank etc. You export statement (like hdfc pdf statement, or zerodha transactions csv) and import it into the software.
its not working on firefox. are you using official sqlite, sql.js or wa-sqlite wasm? as there are three different variants with differing support for storage. Also if opfs is not avilable do u have a fallback?
To answer rest of your question, we are using official sqlite (via evolu). We don't have a fallback for opfs. But opfs seems to supported in most browser. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/File_System...
Although, seems like the private mode in Firefox is related to opfs, so we might not be able to solve it. But again, most users won't use the app in private mode.
By what definition is this local first? You use firebase and the client is not open source or at least downloadable. The definition is that i can keep using the app if your company goes out of business, which is not the case.
It's local-first in the sense that all your financial data is local (synched across your devices), and backed up to your dropbox. Firebase is for auth (e.g. for us to know who you are, manage subscription etc). None of your financial data is kept there. We don't have a decent way to set up and track subscription without that central piece (firebase).
In other words, when the company goes down, there are two concerns:
1st whether you will have access to your data. Yes, and no one else has access to it.
2nd whether you will be able to use the app. We plan to open-source the app when/before that happens. This part, you have to trust us. We don't see an easy way out of this, yet.
i dont see any place for an app like this that is not open source. you can make the sync service payed that gets your bank statements.
I understand your hesitation. But there are already user using it on a regular basis, who care about privacy but trust us to have the auth centralized. It's not for everyone, but it's what we plan to do, at least for near future.
you always find a few users who haven’t been burned before, that does not make it local first or aligned with what is needed in this space
You could use a code escrow service.
Just a few days ago, saw Finbodhi from paisa project through Anandakumaran's website. Very interesting and loved Opensource projects with focus on end-to-end encryption coming out of India. My best wishes to you!
where does it say it is open source?
The page explaining double entry accounting is worth an HN post on its own
https://finbodhi.com/docs/understanding-double-entry
Is there a github repo for this? Free to use isn't the same as source-freely-available...
Sorry, we are not open-source. Also, it's free to use till beta :) although there would be a free plan even after that. We don't plan to open source it till we have enough momentum to support ourselves with the project. This is for profit project. Your data is yours but the software is ours, till the revenue supports us. After which we do plan to open-source it.
1. Is there any plans for native mobile apps?
2. Which data sources (banks, UPI wallets, etc.) are supported as import source?
1. No current plans for native mobile app. We plan to make the web app somewhat usable on mobile, soon. Eventually, yes we would like to have a native app also.
2. We have few banks supported (HDFC, ICICI). We have custom importer also, where you can define how to map a file to the fields we use. Note that import is manual. E.g. we don't scrape your bank etc. You export statement (like hdfc pdf statement, or zerodha transactions csv) and import it into the software.
its not working on firefox. are you using official sqlite, sql.js or wa-sqlite wasm? as there are three different variants with differing support for storage. Also if opfs is not avilable do u have a fallback?
Are you trying it in private mode? We found an issue there. Normal mode should work. We will fix the issue with private mode in a future release.
yes i was trying in private mode.
To answer rest of your question, we are using official sqlite (via evolu). We don't have a fallback for opfs. But opfs seems to supported in most browser. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/File_System... Although, seems like the private mode in Firefox is related to opfs, so we might not be able to solve it. But again, most users won't use the app in private mode.
Congratulations on the launch!
Congrats dude on the release!
i love Local First products! let me check out.