That's obviously super permissive, but from there can take things away to expose as much or little of the host system as needed.
For my system I'm working on making a few bwrapped "zones". E.g. start a terminal that can see a certain subset of files, and can configure whether it should use gpu or not, have internet or not, have access to local network or not, etc. A bit more project/environment focused than bwrapping programs one by one.
It's the base for Flatpack, the thing that makes Flatpack be sandboxed.
I use it to run Claude Code / Codex / Gemini CLI, to make sure that they have a limited / fake view of my system.
You can bind directories into it, or overlay them into it, restrict other kinds of access.
If Docker is a thing in a scale between a VM and your OS, Bubblewrap is a thing a scale between Docker and your OS. You use your OS, instead of installing and managing an OS like you do with Docker, but you get filesystem and process isolation like with Docker.
Though I had an issue where I cannot use `--new-session`, which is kind of dangerous to not use, but you can get around it if you use seccomp to block ioctl calls, and ptrace.
How do you know what permissions are required by an application, to write a bubblewrap script?
In AppArmor, you exercise the application and aa-logprof suggests permissions requested by application. If you know AppArmor, usually you can refine those suggestions and write a profile. It may not be ideal, as aa-logprof’s permissions are multiple choice suggestions, require user knowledge and may be too broad or specific, but it could work. You will see that there are many and all kinds of permissions, and there is no way that you will be able to guess them without aa-logprof.
What is the equivalent of aa-logprof in bubblewrap and how do you find the required permissions?
I documented what I came up with for Claude Code: https://blog.gpkb.org/posts/ai-agent-sandbox/ However, I couldn't get this to work for Codex, it kept failing at the auth bit and I couldn't figure out how to fix it. Anyone got a working solution for Codex?
bubblewrap escapes are not unheard of. Infact, it's a common theme that the general linux landscape lacks strong sandboxing, even if you use bwrap, firejail, etc. Especially linux desktop, a security firehazard to say the least unless you are using QubesOS
Can you explain what reproducible mean in this context? Does that mean that you can recompile everything from "scratch" or does it have a deeper meaning?
Reproducible builds ensure that you can build the same binaries with the same source code. Nothing like the current date for instance gets in the way of getting a different build.
This allows independent people to check that provided binaries don't contain malicious stuff for instance. Ultimately, it lets you download binaries instead of rebuilding everything yourself locally if the binaries have been independently reproduced.
The provided binaries may still contain malicious code but it guarantees that no malicious code has been inserted in between the build process of the published code. So if your binaries contain malicious code, you can be sure that all other users of the software version are affected, too.
I experimented bubblewrap as a better alternative to firejail. Unfortunately there are scripts for few applications. It’s tool for developers. Users are better off flatpaks powered by bubblewrap .
The situation with firejail is different. There are a lot of profiles, and they are easier to customize and write.
But firejail needs root privilege, so there are arguments that it may actually reduce the security, because even though it sandboxes some applications, non-privilege processes may gain privilege if there is a flaw in the fire jail itself.
Firejail does not need root privileges at all. You are probably referring to SUID. It is a "setuid ELF 64-bit" executable. I run it with my own user only.
Complexity? It just supports a lot of stuff. See the manual page. It seems simple enough to me.
Yeah, I meant the same thing! If you run it under your non-root user, and there is a vulnerability in firejail, the jailed process could run as root, right?
Complexity referred to large code base and attack surface.
I haven’t tried it myself. I would be interested knowing, whether it might lower the security in some cases. Maybe it’s useful to sandbox apps that don’t have flatpaks.
This would underpin that, right? First you build the namespace primitives, then you put the handy wrapper on top that composes a root fs and spawns a container from it using those namespace primitives
It's possible to run a full DE bwrapped.
eglgears_wayland and nvtop show gpu works.That's obviously super permissive, but from there can take things away to expose as much or little of the host system as needed.
For my system I'm working on making a few bwrapped "zones". E.g. start a terminal that can see a certain subset of files, and can configure whether it should use gpu or not, have internet or not, have access to local network or not, etc. A bit more project/environment focused than bwrapping programs one by one.
Bubblewrap is a really interesting project, really worth checking out.
https://github.com/containers/bubblewrap
It's the base for Flatpack, the thing that makes Flatpack be sandboxed.
I use it to run Claude Code / Codex / Gemini CLI, to make sure that they have a limited / fake view of my system.
You can bind directories into it, or overlay them into it, restrict other kinds of access.
If Docker is a thing in a scale between a VM and your OS, Bubblewrap is a thing a scale between Docker and your OS. You use your OS, instead of installing and managing an OS like you do with Docker, but you get filesystem and process isolation like with Docker.
Though I had an issue where I cannot use `--new-session`, which is kind of dangerous to not use, but you can get around it if you use seccomp to block ioctl calls, and ptrace.
A question.
How do you know what permissions are required by an application, to write a bubblewrap script?
In AppArmor, you exercise the application and aa-logprof suggests permissions requested by application. If you know AppArmor, usually you can refine those suggestions and write a profile. It may not be ideal, as aa-logprof’s permissions are multiple choice suggestions, require user knowledge and may be too broad or specific, but it could work. You will see that there are many and all kinds of permissions, and there is no way that you will be able to guess them without aa-logprof.
What is the equivalent of aa-logprof in bubblewrap and how do you find the required permissions?
it’s a bit baroque but I use strace personally
I documented what I came up with for Claude Code: https://blog.gpkb.org/posts/ai-agent-sandbox/ However, I couldn't get this to work for Codex, it kept failing at the auth bit and I couldn't figure out how to fix it. Anyone got a working solution for Codex?
bubblewrap escapes are not unheard of. Infact, it's a common theme that the general linux landscape lacks strong sandboxing, even if you use bwrap, firejail, etc. Especially linux desktop, a security firehazard to say the least unless you are using QubesOS
As a side note NetBSD is THE ONLY operating system of which binaries are fully bit by bit reproducible.
Moreover it vendores patched gcc compiler, so the entire toolchain is reproducible too as well.
How cool is that?! For the record golang brings it further - its entire package registry containing +40mln packages is bit by bit reproducible.
Are you sure GNU Guix System doesn't share this attribute?
Can you explain what reproducible mean in this context? Does that mean that you can recompile everything from "scratch" or does it have a deeper meaning?
Reproducible builds ensure that you can build the same binaries with the same source code. Nothing like the current date for instance gets in the way of getting a different build.
This allows independent people to check that provided binaries don't contain malicious stuff for instance. Ultimately, it lets you download binaries instead of rebuilding everything yourself locally if the binaries have been independently reproduced.
You might be interested in checking:
https://reproducible-builds.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproducible_builds
The provided binaries may still contain malicious code but it guarantees that no malicious code has been inserted in between the build process of the published code. So if your binaries contain malicious code, you can be sure that all other users of the software version are affected, too.
I thought FreeBSD has it as well with v15?
I experimented bubblewrap as a better alternative to firejail. Unfortunately there are scripts for few applications. It’s tool for developers. Users are better off flatpaks powered by bubblewrap .
I have been using firejail for a long time now. It seem to work well for me. At times I have to write my own profiles, yeah.
The situation with firejail is different. There are a lot of profiles, and they are easier to customize and write.
But firejail needs root privilege, so there are arguments that it may actually reduce the security, because even though it sandboxes some applications, non-privilege processes may gain privilege if there is a flaw in the fire jail itself.
Firejail is also criticized for complexity.
Firejail does not need root privileges at all. You are probably referring to SUID. It is a "setuid ELF 64-bit" executable. I run it with my own user only.
Complexity? It just supports a lot of stuff. See the manual page. It seems simple enough to me.
Yeah, I meant the same thing! If you run it under your non-root user, and there is a vulnerability in firejail, the jailed process could run as root, right?
Complexity referred to large code base and attack surface.
I haven’t tried it myself. I would be interested knowing, whether it might lower the security in some cases. Maybe it’s useful to sandbox apps that don’t have flatpaks.
Always nice to see NetBSD posts here, that nice OS gets hardly any press.
I would have loved to see something like OCI containers.
This would underpin that, right? First you build the namespace primitives, then you put the handy wrapper on top that composes a root fs and spawns a container from it using those namespace primitives
bubblewrap popping )) https://brainteaser.top/bubblespop.html