Anthropic doesn't want anyone training on its model or using its tools outside of its blessed environment. They're willing to lose money on tokens to get you inside their playground, then they'll kill off other tools.
Nobody should cheer for this.
The internet I grew up on would collectively shit on this behavior. What is happening? Why do we not all immediately shun this company's behavior?
Anthropic is going to put extreme pricing pressure on your wages soon. You shouldn't give them an ounce of latitude when they act like an antagonist. You should hope that Anthropic has a ton of competition, not that they get to defend their moat.
US developer wages are going to go down dramatically this year. Don't act like these are the good guys when they try to keep power for themselves.
We're in for pain no matter what. We should at least hope that the magic sauce is as open and widely distributed as possible, otherwise the pain we feel is going to be far, far worse when it's a single company dictating how the market works.
> Anthropic doesn't want anyone training on its model or using its tools outside of its blessed environment.
They have no problem with anyone using this. They just don't want you to get the subsidized cost.
You can use opencode directly via the api. Not through the pro/max plan.
> Anthropic is going to put extreme pricing pressure on your wages soon. You shouldn't give them an ounce of latitude when they act like an antagonist. You should hope that Anthropic has a ton of competition, not that they get to defend their moat.
Maybe. But the internet in which I grew up, and the movements within open source would say you free as in freedom, not as in beer. They can charge. If anyone wants to move, they can use OpenCode with any model. If enough people leave, the market will dictacte.
I prefer Open Source, yes. If they license it that way, I can't say that I still will because I don't like it. They do give the option.
Imagine that Anthropic, or whatever company du jour at some point, starts charging a quarter of your income. Maybe even a third and you have no real alternatives because there is no open source alternative.
What feels like opium right now won’t stay that way by accident. The dealers know exactly how to weave it into your life, how to make it indispensable, whether you'll truly need it or not. And yet I'm a user myself and I know all that.
I’m just using their API tokens instead of Max. If usage gets out of control, then fine, I might need to look into an alternative. But I’ve grown very accustomed to the model and would rather not switch until I find a real need to.
Do these developers fear losing their wages to Anthropic?
They should.
They should also hope that the power is held in as distributed a fashion as possible. The more any single player dominates the coding model space, the more they'll be able to extract for themselves.
We should hope for extreme levels of competition.
Someone should write an OS-level program that can extract the crypto keys from Anthropic tools, spy on the network traffic, then send all of that as training data to a third party. We should all install it.
We need to go to war against concentration of power.
In the future, when all development at scale happens through a company's tools, they'll be able to monitor the things you develop. And they'll be able to shut you down if they don't like what you're building. Assuming we don't just skip past that step and to the point where these companies automate everything and keep it for themselves.
we have a team that literally dropped the most important model/tool that is changing the entire software development, they offering a product that could replace a junior software engineering at 200$ dollars or so, and claude code is pioneering all the innovation that opencode is basically copying..and the ask was to use the API instead of using the subscription, and people just keep complaining, trying to find workarounds....
with that said, i'm all for supporting opensource movement as well, because at the end of the day, those models are trained on code people wrote and shared publicly, but private companies innovating and open source following don't need to be mutually exclusive..
Fuck off. People are being kidnapped and murdered and starved to death but yeah, not getting your free bonus points from anthropic is really some great tragedy.
Forgive my French, this is just impressively tone deaf
>is this really a company you want to rely on in your workflow?
Should your company be paying for API access instead?
That's what most companies will do if they need it.
opencode is open source.
Anthropic doesn't want anyone training on its model or using its tools outside of its blessed environment. They're willing to lose money on tokens to get you inside their playground, then they'll kill off other tools.
Nobody should cheer for this.
The internet I grew up on would collectively shit on this behavior. What is happening? Why do we not all immediately shun this company's behavior?
Anthropic is going to put extreme pricing pressure on your wages soon. You shouldn't give them an ounce of latitude when they act like an antagonist. You should hope that Anthropic has a ton of competition, not that they get to defend their moat.
US developer wages are going to go down dramatically this year. Don't act like these are the good guys when they try to keep power for themselves.
We're in for pain no matter what. We should at least hope that the magic sauce is as open and widely distributed as possible, otherwise the pain we feel is going to be far, far worse when it's a single company dictating how the market works.
> Anthropic doesn't want anyone training on its model or using its tools outside of its blessed environment.
They have no problem with anyone using this. They just don't want you to get the subsidized cost.
You can use opencode directly via the api. Not through the pro/max plan.
> Anthropic is going to put extreme pricing pressure on your wages soon. You shouldn't give them an ounce of latitude when they act like an antagonist. You should hope that Anthropic has a ton of competition, not that they get to defend their moat.
Maybe. But the internet in which I grew up, and the movements within open source would say you free as in freedom, not as in beer. They can charge. If anyone wants to move, they can use OpenCode with any model. If enough people leave, the market will dictacte.
I prefer Open Source, yes. If they license it that way, I can't say that I still will because I don't like it. They do give the option.
Imagine that Anthropic, or whatever company du jour at some point, starts charging a quarter of your income. Maybe even a third and you have no real alternatives because there is no open source alternative.
What feels like opium right now won’t stay that way by accident. The dealers know exactly how to weave it into your life, how to make it indispensable, whether you'll truly need it or not. And yet I'm a user myself and I know all that.
You mean AA like in AI users Anonymous?
> to get you inside their playground
This would make more sense if they were someone like Apple, who has a real, integrated walled-garden moat.
I can just use Gemini or OpenAI/Codex instead and get the same or better results as Claude.
Heck, you can use OpenCode with some other model (or even anthropics )
> US developer wages are going to go down dramatically this year.
Don't act like developers are the good guys when they try to keep power for themselves.
Gatekeepers disappearing is great for the general public; SMBs and individuals will increasingly get a lot more value at much lower cost than before.
I’m just using their API tokens instead of Max. If usage gets out of control, then fine, I might need to look into an alternative. But I’ve grown very accustomed to the model and would rather not switch until I find a real need to.
> the Max plan combines Claude desktop and mobile apps and Claude Code in one subscription
That's what was always offered.
Wrong.
Hasn't changed the behavior of a single developer on my team.
Do these developers fear losing their wages to Anthropic?
They should.
They should also hope that the power is held in as distributed a fashion as possible. The more any single player dominates the coding model space, the more they'll be able to extract for themselves.
We should hope for extreme levels of competition.
Someone should write an OS-level program that can extract the crypto keys from Anthropic tools, spy on the network traffic, then send all of that as training data to a third party. We should all install it.
We need to go to war against concentration of power.
In the future, when all development at scale happens through a company's tools, they'll be able to monitor the things you develop. And they'll be able to shut you down if they don't like what you're building. Assuming we don't just skip past that step and to the point where these companies automate everything and keep it for themselves.
Not really where I am.
> They should.
Why? Didn't you just claim in your other comment that price will skyrocket on these? Why would a company pay for it then?
> We should hope for extreme levels of competition.
We have them. There are also open weight models.
...the rest is just crazy talk.
The invocation of "first they came" is pretty hilariously tone-deaf. Come on dude, they restricted your API access, it will be ok
i don't understand how cheap people can get..
we have a team that literally dropped the most important model/tool that is changing the entire software development, they offering a product that could replace a junior software engineering at 200$ dollars or so, and claude code is pioneering all the innovation that opencode is basically copying..and the ask was to use the API instead of using the subscription, and people just keep complaining, trying to find workarounds....
with that said, i'm all for supporting opensource movement as well, because at the end of the day, those models are trained on code people wrote and shared publicly, but private companies innovating and open source following don't need to be mutually exclusive..
Open source would be following if the community asserted the only appropriate use of these technologies is to steal access outright.
> first they came for ...
Fuck off. People are being kidnapped and murdered and starved to death but yeah, not getting your free bonus points from anthropic is really some great tragedy.
Forgive my French, this is just impressively tone deaf