Reports today of lawyers trying to see their clients in Minneapolis are being told they can't until their clients arrive at a detention center ... that might be as far as Texas. They also couldn't even tell them if their client was still in MN or elsewhere.
It's all just a bunch of illegal garbage.
The courts have to handle each case and plod around, while ICE as a whole operates without consequence ... except to the people they target. It's a clear pattern of practice at this point, but I'm not sure if the courts are brave enough to act.
They're going to continue abusing people, injuring them, killing them and violating their rights because there's no accountability. The administration endorses this behavior.
Dissolve ICE, dissolve DHS, impeach Noem and prosecute and or bar every single ERO agent from future public service.
The administration labelled "the left" domestic terrorists, while promoting and pardoning domestic terrorism. There needs to be serious accountability when the Democrats retake power.
I was brutalized by DHS/CBP when Biden was in power, they won't do shit, and even worse when it happened not even the leftists gave a damn and even on places like HN people suggested I deserved it. No one gave a single shit about my story about being brutalized by DHS until Trump came into power, up until that moment only my own family would believe it. I remember telling the exact damn story on HN pre-and post trump -- post trump I got hundreds of upvotes and pre trump when it actually happened it was almost all people suggesting I deserved it and that I wasn't "telling the facts."
There will be zero accountability because the Democrats also need the help of those manning the federal machinery to implement their own programs. Even if they might be using it for far less reprehensible things. Civil service reform assures us of that -- it's almost impossible to fire most civil servants so best to just negotiate to overlook misdeeds in exchange for them implementing your campaign promises.
The promise made was that they were going after "bad people", e.g., murderers, rapists, etc. I don't think many people have a problem with that.
But that's not who they're going after, it's everybody, with a focus on ethnic cleansing. It is no longer hyperbole to compare what's happening now to Germany in the 1930's.
Agreed. They've made it quite clear that they intend to label any dissent or protest as terrorism and use force to suppress it. I don't see how the situation will improve. Perhaps if the 3.5% rule holds true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
Fully agreed. This is a violation of the spirit of the law and will make everyone view law enforcement agents as untrustworthy protectors of our Constitution.
But who holds them accountable? The DOJ right? Is that who can pursue a case against government officials violating constitutional rights? If so, it’s not enough. We need a rethink of checks and balances. This was clear even after the first Trump administration but we’re well past that now, and in this first year the second Trump administration has conducted a lot more violations.
The DOJ under this administration will abet these violations. Every department that would normally serve as a check is now headed by a feckless loyalist.
I sort of feel like they will keep doing things repeatedly to make it seem normal and get their base to support it. As long as they stay “ahead” of the people that way, is there real hope that citizens can hold them to account? My only idea here, which I see more people talking about, is making a general strike happen in all the major cities.
Why do people flag anything related to ice coverage? Ice are literal nazis cracking down on dissent, dont support the administration. You gain nothing for fighting their battles online.
I can only speak for myself. If the news article has anything to do with tech and things "interesting to hackers", I upvote. For example, the article about Palantir and ICE yesterday [1]. But articles like this one have nothing interesting to me. There are plenty of other places to discuss this like BlueSky, X, reddit, Facebook, etc. I beg you to please spare this last interesting forum.
Also it pisses me off how nobody talks about certain very relevant elephants in the room on these discussions. And it's more like venting and coping. Nobody will change their minds. Nothing will be done. Nothing is learned.
I'm flagging because early on these obvious alerting news got flagged within seconds, while the equally political happenings, the less immigration-related thus somehow more relevant and appropriate ones, were tolerated.
I have since decided that this site does not deserve to know.
Because the people who comment in these threads tend to be mind-killed by politics, and it serves very little purpose to have a threads full of such opinions.
I’ve been able to have some quality discussions around these issues but I get your perspective. I hope at some point soon, we as a country, can go back to viewing politics as a rational and civil discussion of differences in policy approaches rather than as a tribal team sport or as an excuse to push extremist positions.
The people running YC and their entire social circle voted for this. Half of them are still riding the grift. Now they are all practicing for their Persilschein.
I think I can understand why someone from Europe or wherever else might flag these stories because they're not interested (...ignoring the whole Greenland elephant in the room for a second), but given that Scott Adams got a massive post on here despite the thread being mostly political shitflinging for obvious reasons it's really lowering my overall opinion of your average HN user. I'm increasingly inclined to say they need to show some information on who's flagging and why, especially if there's a consistent pattern and time of who is doing said flagging.
Some of the posts break thru the wave of people seemingly flagging these stories immediately like the Palantir stories but otherwise your best bet is having show dead on and looking in /Active instead.
I do not think it will. The Democratic Party is not an opposition party in its current form. The GOP will likely hold on to power in a fashion consistent with historical authoritarian takeovers.
Given the administration is openly talking about not having elections, I am not sure it can. I am guessing all this chatter about the insurrection act is itself a cover to not have midterms. Will that be enough to spark mass protests and general strikes? I am not sure. I genuinely think the ability for massively violating acts to be normalized quickly is unprecedented. Anything is possible.
I saw an article about a witness to a snuff film, and he implicated Trump. Or that Trump was present when a newborn was thrown out of a boat (Trump's "post birth abortion").
‘“We were there for a check-in and the original officer said, ‘This looks good, I’ll be right back,’” Prokosch said. “And then there was a lot of chaos, and about five officers came out and then they said, ‘We’re going to be taking him back into custody.’ I was like, ‘Really, you want to do this again?’”’
So the judge ruled the original detention unconstitutional, and then they asked him to “check in” as a deceptive ruse to detain him again? The idea being this time it is constitutional?
I keep telling myself America isn't 1930s Germany, that the guardrails of this democracy will hold, and if they don't, enough of the people will rise up and put a stop to this. That the military won't go along with firing on it's own citizens when and if given that order. That there is some sort of line even for Republicans and the Pentagon that can't be crossed without the current regime will be removed one way or another.
This is guaranteed to blow up international trade with the US and one thing is for damn sure - that will silicon valley suffer enormously. It does not make sense.
The GF and I have had multiple conversations about how all these seemingly intelligent people don't: 1) care about anybody else; 2) realize that this too will negatively affect their lives; and I've come to the conclusion that these people are devoid of empathy, and they are narcissists who view themselves as being too important and powerful to be messed with. They'd never do that to me! That would never happen to me!
I don't agree. They're not stupid and they're out to give advantages to themselves. More money, more power, more ... and these actions, especially if justified like you do, will absolutely fail at that.
If the US as a whole becomes poorer, being a billionaire will mean a lot less.
I mean I agree they're lacking in empathy, right. But this is not a cartoon. Lacking in empathy is not a goal in itself for these people. It's just not.
Reports today of lawyers trying to see their clients in Minneapolis are being told they can't until their clients arrive at a detention center ... that might be as far as Texas. They also couldn't even tell them if their client was still in MN or elsewhere.
It's all just a bunch of illegal garbage.
The courts have to handle each case and plod around, while ICE as a whole operates without consequence ... except to the people they target. It's a clear pattern of practice at this point, but I'm not sure if the courts are brave enough to act.
They're going to continue abusing people, injuring them, killing them and violating their rights because there's no accountability. The administration endorses this behavior.
Dissolve ICE, dissolve DHS, impeach Noem and prosecute and or bar every single ERO agent from future public service.
The administration labelled "the left" domestic terrorists, while promoting and pardoning domestic terrorism. There needs to be serious accountability when the Democrats retake power.
I was brutalized by DHS/CBP when Biden was in power, they won't do shit, and even worse when it happened not even the leftists gave a damn and even on places like HN people suggested I deserved it. No one gave a single shit about my story about being brutalized by DHS until Trump came into power, up until that moment only my own family would believe it. I remember telling the exact damn story on HN pre-and post trump -- post trump I got hundreds of upvotes and pre trump when it actually happened it was almost all people suggesting I deserved it and that I wasn't "telling the facts."
There will be zero accountability because the Democrats also need the help of those manning the federal machinery to implement their own programs. Even if they might be using it for far less reprehensible things. Civil service reform assures us of that -- it's almost impossible to fire most civil servants so best to just negotiate to overlook misdeeds in exchange for them implementing your campaign promises.
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The promise made was that they were going after "bad people", e.g., murderers, rapists, etc. I don't think many people have a problem with that.
But that's not who they're going after, it's everybody, with a focus on ethnic cleansing. It is no longer hyperbole to compare what's happening now to Germany in the 1930's.
Agreed. They've made it quite clear that they intend to label any dissent or protest as terrorism and use force to suppress it. I don't see how the situation will improve. Perhaps if the 3.5% rule holds true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
The promise that was made was to go after the type of people you described - first. Not to stop after them.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgrnn8zxdego
> But that's not who they're going after, it's everybody, with a focus on ethnic cleansing.
This is not yet something most Americans have caught onto. The DHS made a tweet fantasizing about deporting 100 million Americans (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dhs-100-million-deportations-...) - which is roughly what deporting all non white people would look like. And Elon Musk posts white supremacist content daily - and I mean this literally. For example he called for “white solidarity” (https://people.com/elon-musk-shares-startling-post-endorsing...) and has also repeatedly called for remigration which is literally defined as “ethnic cleansing” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration).
Is black solidarity ok?
https://blacksolidarity.org/
Sure. Solidarity as a whole is even better.
In my view, no immunity attaches to a "law enforcement" officer's knowing violation of the letter or the spirit of court orders.
Fully agreed. This is a violation of the spirit of the law and will make everyone view law enforcement agents as untrustworthy protectors of our Constitution.
But who holds them accountable? The DOJ right? Is that who can pursue a case against government officials violating constitutional rights? If so, it’s not enough. We need a rethink of checks and balances. This was clear even after the first Trump administration but we’re well past that now, and in this first year the second Trump administration has conducted a lot more violations.
The DOJ under this administration will abet these violations. Every department that would normally serve as a check is now headed by a feckless loyalist.
Sadly, it seems clear at this point it is going to fall to the citizens of these states united to hold them to account.
I sort of feel like they will keep doing things repeatedly to make it seem normal and get their base to support it. As long as they stay “ahead” of the people that way, is there real hope that citizens can hold them to account? My only idea here, which I see more people talking about, is making a general strike happen in all the major cities.
Why do people flag anything related to ice coverage? Ice are literal nazis cracking down on dissent, dont support the administration. You gain nothing for fighting their battles online.
I can only speak for myself. If the news article has anything to do with tech and things "interesting to hackers", I upvote. For example, the article about Palantir and ICE yesterday [1]. But articles like this one have nothing interesting to me. There are plenty of other places to discuss this like BlueSky, X, reddit, Facebook, etc. I beg you to please spare this last interesting forum.
Also it pisses me off how nobody talks about certain very relevant elephants in the room on these discussions. And it's more like venting and coping. Nobody will change their minds. Nothing will be done. Nothing is learned.
Note: I am not American.
[1] "The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46633378 622 points and 886 comments
"But articles like this one have nothing interesting to me".
When a post is of no interest to me, I ignore it. I don't read all the comments and reply to the 20th one.
Good point. That does seem contradictory.
Fair position. What are the relevant elephants in the room in your opinion, just out of genuine curiosity?
I'm flagging because early on these obvious alerting news got flagged within seconds, while the equally political happenings, the less immigration-related thus somehow more relevant and appropriate ones, were tolerated.
I have since decided that this site does not deserve to know.
Interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing.
Because there are large numbers of actual factual fascists on this website. These people want to kill you and me.
Because the people who comment in these threads tend to be mind-killed by politics, and it serves very little purpose to have a threads full of such opinions.
So basically you’re trying to suppress opinions you don’t like or agree with, relevant or not?
Has nothing to do with me agreeing with them or not, they just tend to be low quality/value in general - more noise than signal on all sides.
I’ve been able to have some quality discussions around these issues but I get your perspective. I hope at some point soon, we as a country, can go back to viewing politics as a rational and civil discussion of differences in policy approaches rather than as a tribal team sport or as an excuse to push extremist positions.
"Because the people who comment in these threads tend to be mind-killed by politics".
You are one of the people who replied dude...
The people running YC and their entire social circle voted for this. Half of them are still riding the grift. Now they are all practicing for their Persilschein.
I think I can understand why someone from Europe or wherever else might flag these stories because they're not interested (...ignoring the whole Greenland elephant in the room for a second), but given that Scott Adams got a massive post on here despite the thread being mostly political shitflinging for obvious reasons it's really lowering my overall opinion of your average HN user. I'm increasingly inclined to say they need to show some information on who's flagging and why, especially if there's a consistent pattern and time of who is doing said flagging.
Some of the posts break thru the wave of people seemingly flagging these stories immediately like the Palantir stories but otherwise your best bet is having show dead on and looking in /Active instead.
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It’s absolutely an effort to suppress criticism and/or try to deny the now undeniable by some HN users
its hard to see how the United States recovers from this administration
I do not think it will. The Democratic Party is not an opposition party in its current form. The GOP will likely hold on to power in a fashion consistent with historical authoritarian takeovers.
Given the administration is openly talking about not having elections, I am not sure it can. I am guessing all this chatter about the insurrection act is itself a cover to not have midterms. Will that be enough to spark mass protests and general strikes? I am not sure. I genuinely think the ability for massively violating acts to be normalized quickly is unprecedented. Anything is possible.
There must be a serious bombshell in those Epstein files if he's doing this to prevent release (anyone else notice it's all paused - again) ?
I saw an article about a witness to a snuff film, and he implicated Trump. Or that Trump was present when a newborn was thrown out of a boat (Trump's "post birth abortion").
It's pretty bad already.
‘“We were there for a check-in and the original officer said, ‘This looks good, I’ll be right back,’” Prokosch said. “And then there was a lot of chaos, and about five officers came out and then they said, ‘We’re going to be taking him back into custody.’ I was like, ‘Really, you want to do this again?’”’
So the judge ruled the original detention unconstitutional, and then they asked him to “check in” as a deceptive ruse to detain him again? The idea being this time it is constitutional?
Correct.
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Anyone want to guess what the end game of lawless secret police is? Because I know what happened last time.
You mean last time in Russia or in Germany or somewhere else?
I keep telling myself America isn't 1930s Germany, that the guardrails of this democracy will hold, and if they don't, enough of the people will rise up and put a stop to this. That the military won't go along with firing on it's own citizens when and if given that order. That there is some sort of line even for Republicans and the Pentagon that can't be crossed without the current regime will be removed one way or another.
This being flagged feels consistent with the attitudes of Silicon Valley and tech leadership generally.
This is guaranteed to blow up international trade with the US and one thing is for damn sure - that will silicon valley suffer enormously. It does not make sense.
I agree. The US is fast becoming an international pariah. Every policy implemented by this administration is regressive, ill-advised and/or cruel.
The GF and I have had multiple conversations about how all these seemingly intelligent people don't: 1) care about anybody else; 2) realize that this too will negatively affect their lives; and I've come to the conclusion that these people are devoid of empathy, and they are narcissists who view themselves as being too important and powerful to be messed with. They'd never do that to me! That would never happen to me!
I don't agree. They're not stupid and they're out to give advantages to themselves. More money, more power, more ... and these actions, especially if justified like you do, will absolutely fail at that.
If the US as a whole becomes poorer, being a billionaire will mean a lot less.
I mean I agree they're lacking in empathy, right. But this is not a cartoon. Lacking in empathy is not a goal in itself for these people. It's just not.
It does make sense if they position themselves to take hard power. That’s worth a lot more than money alone and worth losing even large amounts for.
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I think it is relevant to HN users that the US is falling into authoritarianism with seemingly no guardrails to prevent it.