Very clearly unconstitutional. But that only matters if the people/belongings they apprehended actually get a trial. So their solution is to just skip all that and deport immediately, with or without probable cause.
The current administration is post constitution. That (“post constitution”) is a big part of the project 2025 ideology, and you can look up what’s been said on this topic before. It’s not something that they view as a law that limits them but more like an annoyance in their way. So an assertion that a constitutional right doesn’t matter is completely in line with their strategy. Every violation is a way to normalize this until it’s legal.
> Do illegals (and that is an honest question) benefit from constitutional rights?
Generally, yes. There are rights that are protected only for citizens (e.g., voting rights), but most Constitutional rights restrain what the government can do to people, an are not keyed to citizenship, or to residency status. It is particularly important that due process rights are not keyed to status, because otherwise simply by presuming a status that is not entitled to due process, the government could absolve themselves of the requirement to prove that you actually had the status in question, and proceed directly to the sanctions associated with the status.
> And, lastly, where was the outrage here on HN when, in 2015, Obama awarded a Presidential Rank Award to Tom Homan (the same Tom Homan) for how he handled the millions (!) of deportations under Obama?
The deportations under Obama were manifestly handled differently than under Trump, so one could very consistently object to the latter and not object, or not object as strenuously, to the former.
> By now under Trump only 20% of the number of illegals that Obama deported have been deported.
The main objections have never been to the number of people lawfully subject to deportation who have been deported.
It is very strange to not know something so basic (whether or not illegal immigrants have any constitutional rights) and also be pointing out such a specific thing (awards granted to Tom Homan).
> By now under Trump only 20% of the number of illegals that Obama deported have been deported. I'm not saying Trump won't surpass Obama's score but... Obama was the posterchild of the dems: so where's the outrage? Apparently Tom Homan learned under Obama.
I don’t remember any evidence of unconstitutional raids, or illegal detainment of citizens, or outright murder of Americans in the streets under Obama. It’s not about the numbers. It’s the purposeful violation of our laws and the addiction to violence we are seeing among ICE agents.
Do you agree with the contents of the 4th amendment?
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The fact that people like you are arguing it is fine to blatantly violate the Fourth Amendment (and more) on mere suspicion of "illegals" is horrifying.
Hopefully you will receive an education someday, and, for your sake, hopefully not in the form of a petard hoist.
Someone should remind them what’s waiting on the other side as they break down citizens’ doors, abduct shoeless seniors and children in freezing weather, terrorize schools and churches, blind incapacitated protesters with pepper spray, and shoot observers in the head. All with a smirk on their concealed faces.
So, face masks, no IDs, no badges, no real warrant, no reasonable probable cause, and no due process, what could possibly go wrong?
It seems to be the status quo already. ICE operates without regard to warrants and with amateur hour levels of force:
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qf3vjp/ice_hops_texas...
The courts are way behind in all this pretending that they're just allegations of bad acts and covering their eyes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/21/us/minnesota-injunction-p...
Very clearly unconstitutional. But that only matters if the people/belongings they apprehended actually get a trial. So their solution is to just skip all that and deport immediately, with or without probable cause.
It also only matters if the courts choose to get involved and the immigration folks choose to comply.
No sure thing an that.
The current administration is post constitution. That (“post constitution”) is a big part of the project 2025 ideology, and you can look up what’s been said on this topic before. It’s not something that they view as a law that limits them but more like an annoyance in their way. So an assertion that a constitutional right doesn’t matter is completely in line with their strategy. Every violation is a way to normalize this until it’s legal.
I completely agree and the fact that they’re even able to do that at all means the United States is a failed experiment
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> Do illegals (and that is an honest question) benefit from constitutional rights?
Generally, yes. There are rights that are protected only for citizens (e.g., voting rights), but most Constitutional rights restrain what the government can do to people, an are not keyed to citizenship, or to residency status. It is particularly important that due process rights are not keyed to status, because otherwise simply by presuming a status that is not entitled to due process, the government could absolve themselves of the requirement to prove that you actually had the status in question, and proceed directly to the sanctions associated with the status.
> And, lastly, where was the outrage here on HN when, in 2015, Obama awarded a Presidential Rank Award to Tom Homan (the same Tom Homan) for how he handled the millions (!) of deportations under Obama?
The deportations under Obama were manifestly handled differently than under Trump, so one could very consistently object to the latter and not object, or not object as strenuously, to the former.
> By now under Trump only 20% of the number of illegals that Obama deported have been deported.
The main objections have never been to the number of people lawfully subject to deportation who have been deported.
It is very strange to not know something so basic (whether or not illegal immigrants have any constitutional rights) and also be pointing out such a specific thing (awards granted to Tom Homan).
> By now under Trump only 20% of the number of illegals that Obama deported have been deported. I'm not saying Trump won't surpass Obama's score but... Obama was the posterchild of the dems: so where's the outrage? Apparently Tom Homan learned under Obama.
I don’t remember any evidence of unconstitutional raids, or illegal detainment of citizens, or outright murder of Americans in the streets under Obama. It’s not about the numbers. It’s the purposeful violation of our laws and the addiction to violence we are seeing among ICE agents.
Also. I do recall people complaining a lot about Guantanamo. Now with El Salvador it's a million times worse.
Also the overt Nazism. I think that’s an important detail.
Do you agree with the contents of the 4th amendment?
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Simple question. Yes/No. Choose one.
The fact that people like you are arguing it is fine to blatantly violate the Fourth Amendment (and more) on mere suspicion of "illegals" is horrifying.
Hopefully you will receive an education someday, and, for your sake, hopefully not in the form of a petard hoist.
Since when did ICE become SS?
Exactly a year ago.
Fill title that would not fit on HN:
Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge’s warrant, memo says
Whatever you call it, all these threads will be flagged.
HN'ers are committed to willfully ignoring the US government's slide into facism.
The full title is missing context, too: it’s a leaked secret memo intentionally concealed by ICE/DHS.
These people claim to be Christian.
Someone should remind them what’s waiting on the other side as they break down citizens’ doors, abduct shoeless seniors and children in freezing weather, terrorize schools and churches, blind incapacitated protesters with pepper spray, and shoot observers in the head. All with a smirk on their concealed faces.