Thanks for sharing. I’m a musician and programmer, so I’m squarely in what I’d expect is your target audience. Since you’re posting an early version for feedback, here are some of my broadest initial thoughts.
From your README’s philosophy section: “You describe what you want to feel — ÆTHRA handles how it sounds.” But the rest of the documentation doesn’t yet feel aligned to that vision. The closest you get to that is when you describe your example chord progression as melancholic, but you as the composer already happened to know that this particular progression provides the feeling you have in mind.
I love the idea of a high level way to programmatically or idiomatically describe how music should feel, especially how the composition should evolve over time (perhaps even in surprising ways that are beyond current tools). I hope as you progress that you’re able to find innovative ways to build toward that vision.
The current feature set feels like it would be considerably more convenient in a GUI environment. Again, I hope that as you continue to build, it becomes more obvious why this is a language and not a visual synthesis/composition tool.
A little audio output demo would go a very long way in potentially getting me interested in playing around with this.
People have been comparing it to Strudel, so I wanted to clearly explain the difference.
ÆTHRA vs Strudel (in short):
ÆTHRA is output-oriented: you write a script → run it → get a WAV file.
Strudel is performance-oriented: it’s browser-based live coding focused on real-time pattern manipulation.
Key differences:
Export
ÆTHRA has built-in WAV export (one click).
Strudel doesn’t natively export audio files; users usually record output manually.
Execution model
ÆTHRA renders audio offline (deterministic, no glitches).
Strudel runs in real time via the Web Audio API.
Use cases
ÆTHRA: game music, background scores, generative assets, scripting music like code.
Strudel: live coding, experimentation, performance.
Environment
ÆTHRA runs locally (currently Windows).
Strudel runs entirely in the browser.
Both tools are free, and they’re not trying to solve the same problem.
ÆTHRA is meant to feel closer to a music compiler, while Strudel feels closer to a live instrument.
ÆTHRA is early (v0.8), but it already supports tempo, ADSR, chords, scales, loops, echo/reverb, live preview, and WAV export. I will update AETHRA soon and make it very powerful to reach v1.0
> ÆTHRA is output-oriented: you write a script → run it → get a WAV file.
You are competing with traditional noninteractive usage of CSound. What do you think you can do better than CSound? More generally, what are the peculiar and valuable ÆTHRA features that you want to develop well?
The current language is relatively verbose and readable (more suitable for live coding than for a "music compiler"), but somewhat simplistic and ad hoc on the notation side (e.g. no separate tracks, parts etc.) and not very general on the sound synthesis and processing side (e.g. fixed waveforms and keywords for effects).
This is very much fun. Since I do not know what I am doing I simply ran Gemini on it to add a beat to pyramid song demo [0]. Is there music repls with LLM assistants built-in?
It’s been a lot of fun watching her subscriber count go through the roof. She’s outrageously talented.
It’s also funny because usually it’s hard to reproduce what a musician does. I can listen to someone play guitar, but there’s so much nuance to how it’s played that you need to be pretty good to reproduce it.
But so much of her music is code, and she shows you the code, so she’s really teaching you how to reproduce what she’s doing perfectly. It’s awesome for learning.
Thanks! I saw a few live vids. However it is cool to see someone saying what they are doing (guess that would be perfect training material for an LLM ;)). Seriously, I do not think an LLM can replace any artist. It is exactly that live thing that makes it cool. However I remember some research projects that were trying to reinforce also music selection with crowed movements in a club. iMHO would be some fun to create actually some live reinforcement from audience reactions and see where this is going.
I made one a couple weeks ago, it also has visuals. You can use a key or use a local LLM running right in the browser. I'll drop it online somewhere, maybe do a Show HN. Would you like me to email you when I do?
The main challenge lies in helping someone articulate their own emotions, feelings, and musical intentions. Personally, I find this difficult to achieve on my own. Structured dimensions can certainly support a music project, but they may lack effectiveness if there is no clear understanding of the intended objective from the outset.
Nice project! Thanks for sharing. I would say that a robust qualification process may constitutes the primary added value of your project. Much like a sales representative who can methodically understand a prospect’s needs, it may be worth helping users clarify their internal feelings first.
Exploring how other scientific or artistic disciplines address this challenge could also be valuable.
I loved to build backing tracks for guitar in Band-in-a-box, just from the chord progression and some settings. Leveraged little effort to interesting results. And the idea of a DSL is super. But I dunno how would you stand comparisons with audio rendered by pro DAW software loaded with a production quality sound library such as Hollywood Strings or similar if you render the audio yourself.
Ha, I was just playing with making a simple pad in webaudio and it evolved into a progression-playing backing track tool (vanilla html/js/css page). It would appear there are a lot of us in the Venn intersection of programmer/guitarist/practice time alone enjoyers.
Bro you can
Choose Sonic Pi if you need a mature, extensively documented system with a large community
Choose Aethra if you prefer a fresh, specialized language designed to make composing music easier, prioritizing readable, less technical code and coding pain
Good examples should be complete music pieces and they should be commented: where is important information? How are the numbers computed? How are commands organized? What is the practical workflow for making changes?
biggest pet-peeve on strudel - no "type"checking for chord names, like what if I write "Xm" as a chord - I should be aware of this in the REPL. Does AETHRA solve?
No problem I will tell you and after telling you I will also add a guide
AETHRA How to use it?
First go to the GitHub link I gave you in the post. Download AETHRA or clone it. After downloading go to the folder named 'AETHRA' then go to bin then RELEASE and then to Net 10 Windows Folder. You will get an exe named AETHRA v0.8. After that start your Music Journey. To get all it's commands go to the GitHub project and read the README. You will get a built in AETHRA script, if it is working you are ready to go!
Thanks for sharing. I’m a musician and programmer, so I’m squarely in what I’d expect is your target audience. Since you’re posting an early version for feedback, here are some of my broadest initial thoughts.
From your README’s philosophy section: “You describe what you want to feel — ÆTHRA handles how it sounds.” But the rest of the documentation doesn’t yet feel aligned to that vision. The closest you get to that is when you describe your example chord progression as melancholic, but you as the composer already happened to know that this particular progression provides the feeling you have in mind.
I love the idea of a high level way to programmatically or idiomatically describe how music should feel, especially how the composition should evolve over time (perhaps even in surprising ways that are beyond current tools). I hope as you progress that you’re able to find innovative ways to build toward that vision.
The current feature set feels like it would be considerably more convenient in a GUI environment. Again, I hope that as you continue to build, it becomes more obvious why this is a language and not a visual synthesis/composition tool.
A little audio output demo would go a very long way in potentially getting me interested in playing around with this.
Good luck!
Thanks bro. I am happy that you liked it I am very happy that you supported me
People have been comparing it to Strudel, so I wanted to clearly explain the difference.
ÆTHRA vs Strudel (in short):
ÆTHRA is output-oriented: you write a script → run it → get a WAV file.
Strudel is performance-oriented: it’s browser-based live coding focused on real-time pattern manipulation.
Key differences:
Export
ÆTHRA has built-in WAV export (one click).
Strudel doesn’t natively export audio files; users usually record output manually.
Execution model
ÆTHRA renders audio offline (deterministic, no glitches).
Strudel runs in real time via the Web Audio API.
Use cases
ÆTHRA: game music, background scores, generative assets, scripting music like code.
Strudel: live coding, experimentation, performance.
Environment
ÆTHRA runs locally (currently Windows).
Strudel runs entirely in the browser.
Both tools are free, and they’re not trying to solve the same problem. ÆTHRA is meant to feel closer to a music compiler, while Strudel feels closer to a live instrument.
ÆTHRA is early (v0.8), but it already supports tempo, ADSR, chords, scales, loops, echo/reverb, live preview, and WAV export. I will update AETHRA soon and make it very powerful to reach v1.0
The current language is relatively verbose and readable (more suitable for live coding than for a "music compiler"), but somewhat simplistic and ad hoc on the notation side (e.g. no separate tracks, parts etc.) and not very general on the sound synthesis and processing side (e.g. fixed waveforms and keywords for effects).
How does this compare to https://strudel.cc/ ?
This is very much fun. Since I do not know what I am doing I simply ran Gemini on it to add a beat to pyramid song demo [0]. Is there music repls with LLM assistants built-in?
[0] https://strudel.cc/#Ci8vICJQeXJhbWlkIFNvbmcgKFJhdyBBYnN0cmFj...
Have you heard of Switch-Angel? If not, check out https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hbZb1Q0mM7k (to pick one) for a taste of what Strudel is capable of in "real time".
It’s been a lot of fun watching her subscriber count go through the roof. She’s outrageously talented.
It’s also funny because usually it’s hard to reproduce what a musician does. I can listen to someone play guitar, but there’s so much nuance to how it’s played that you need to be pretty good to reproduce it.
But so much of her music is code, and she shows you the code, so she’s really teaching you how to reproduce what she’s doing perfectly. It’s awesome for learning.
Thanks! I saw a few live vids. However it is cool to see someone saying what they are doing (guess that would be perfect training material for an LLM ;)). Seriously, I do not think an LLM can replace any artist. It is exactly that live thing that makes it cool. However I remember some research projects that were trying to reinforce also music selection with crowed movements in a club. iMHO would be some fun to create actually some live reinforcement from audience reactions and see where this is going.
I made one a couple weeks ago, it also has visuals. You can use a key or use a local LLM running right in the browser. I'll drop it online somewhere, maybe do a Show HN. Would you like me to email you when I do?
Cool, yes: I just send you DM (aka email) with my contacts.
The main challenge lies in helping someone articulate their own emotions, feelings, and musical intentions. Personally, I find this difficult to achieve on my own. Structured dimensions can certainly support a music project, but they may lack effectiveness if there is no clear understanding of the intended objective from the outset.
Nice project! Thanks for sharing. I would say that a robust qualification process may constitutes the primary added value of your project. Much like a sales representative who can methodically understand a prospect’s needs, it may be worth helping users clarify their internal feelings first.
Exploring how other scientific or artistic disciplines address this challenge could also be valuable.
I loved to build backing tracks for guitar in Band-in-a-box, just from the chord progression and some settings. Leveraged little effort to interesting results. And the idea of a DSL is super. But I dunno how would you stand comparisons with audio rendered by pro DAW software loaded with a production quality sound library such as Hollywood Strings or similar if you render the audio yourself.
Ha, I was just playing with making a simple pad in webaudio and it evolved into a progression-playing backing track tool (vanilla html/js/css page). It would appear there are a lot of us in the Venn intersection of programmer/guitarist/practice time alone enjoyers.
DSL for backing tracks: https://github.com/ako/backing-tracks
Cool project. There are people making a living streaming live-coded music, eg:
DJ Dave
Making dance music with code
https://youtube.com/shorts/5OYiOGxHxTQ
Perhaps you could reach out to some of them if you feel yours adds something they might find useful.
Are you aware of SonicPi? Are you aware of Lilypond?
Bro you can Choose Sonic Pi if you need a mature, extensively documented system with a large community
Choose Aethra if you prefer a fresh, specialized language designed to make composing music easier, prioritizing readable, less technical code and coding pain
I didn't want to point out that any personal preference, I only wanted you to know about other projects, that you might gain insights from.
If I needed to create audio as part of an application I have been using SoX.
How does this relate to existing systems?
E.g. Csound
Csound. ÆTHRA
Harder. Easier
More mature. Less mature
Made with C. Made with C#
Example music (very basic, you can make way better) made using AETHRA -- https://audio.com/czax-studio/audio/aethra-example
Example code --
@Tempo(60)
@Scale("Minor")
@Reverb(0.7, 0.5)
@Chord("A3 C4 E4", 4, 0.6)
@FadeOut(5)
Official Website -- https://aethralang.pages.dev/
Some samples of the DSL code and what they sound like would be a good addition. (Or it is already there and I could not find it)
It is present in the GitHub AETHRA app
Yes, but it is a meaningless syntax sampler.
Good examples should be complete music pieces and they should be commented: where is important information? How are the numbers computed? How are commands organized? What is the practical workflow for making changes?
biggest pet-peeve on strudel - no "type"checking for chord names, like what if I write "Xm" as a chord - I should be aware of this in the REPL. Does AETHRA solve?
If you mean 'Xm' as any chord like Gm or Cm instead of 'X' then yes, ÆTHRA can kind of solve it.
I clicked the link but missed the show. I'd like to revisit the project when there is something to look at and listen to.
Please can you link to a video of it being used?
Yes. I will upload after some days
How to use it? Why does it not have any guide on how to use it?
No problem I will tell you and after telling you I will also add a guide
AETHRA How to use it? First go to the GitHub link I gave you in the post. Download AETHRA or clone it. After downloading go to the folder named 'AETHRA' then go to bin then RELEASE and then to Net 10 Windows Folder. You will get an exe named AETHRA v0.8. After that start your Music Journey. To get all it's commands go to the GitHub project and read the README. You will get a built in AETHRA script, if it is working you are ready to go!
Thanks for your comment
-Tanmay Czax