the overwhelming part of wireshark is, at least in my experience teaching networking at a college level, the actual networking part. protocols, flows, packet structure, etc. kids tend to be up to speed on the UI part pretty quickly.
what the kids in my classes really struggle with is actually using any command line stuff (at least for a month or two), because it is so foreign to them (coming from GUI-only experience).
what specific parts are made easier with babyshark, compared to wireshark? the github readme didnt really sell me on the "easier than GUI" part, nor did your description here. is it the "explain (plan-English hints)" part? if so, i think you should focus on that. right now it looks pretty bare bones (e.g. "Weird stuff" does not seem easier or super helpful from a learning perspective)
I'm not trying to say it's better than the GUI but it hopes to be more guided. it’s *opinionated* about the first 60 seconds:
- *Overview dashboard*: immediately surfaces top talkers/flows + “what should I click next” instead of dropping you into the full packet list.
- *Domains-first pivot*: `D` shows hostnames and lets you jump from a domain → the relevant flows. It also works when DNS answers aren’t visible (DoH/DoT/cached) by using observed IPs from SNI/Host flows.
- *Weird stuff*: `W` is a curated set of “likely problems” (retransmits/out-of-order hints, resets, handshake issues, DNS failures when visible) with a short “why it matters” and a drill-down.
- *Explain*: `?` gives plain-English hints for a selected flow + suggested next steps (follow stream, filter, pivot to domains/weird).
So it’s basically a guided triage layer on top of tshark/pcap data, with the “where do I start?” path baked in.
If you’ve got a specific teaching use-case (e.g. “why is this slow?” or “which host is generating traffic?”), I’d love to tune the Overview/Weird detectors around that. Open to PRs as well.
>So it’s basically a guided triage layer on top of tshark/pcap data, with the “where do I start?” path baked in.
i think there is definitely room for something like this, it just (at first glance from the readme at least) seems like the guided part of this tool is bolted on as a bit of an after thought.
it feels like you are currently in an odd position where the user is expected to know the networking jargon already, be able to recognize that something might be "weird" at a glance, but also not know how to drill down into the data. i think that is probably a small overlap of people.
if i were you, i would lean all-in on making it a learning tool.
>If you’ve got a specific teaching use-case (e.g. “why is this slow?” or “which host is generating traffic?”), I’d love to tune the Overview/Weird detectors around that.
i will put some thought into some real-world examples of what i would be interested in, from a teaching perspective. your post caught my eye because i am starting my wireshark module next week, so it is certainly timely.
This isn't meant as a replacement for tshark. It actually uses tshark for the live capture part.
tshark is the engine; Babyshark is the guided Ul on top of it.
• tshark: raw packet/field dump + powerful filters, but you have to know what fields to ask for and how to stitch the story together.
• Babyshark: gives you an opinionated workflow (Overview → Domains/Weird → Flows → Packets/ Stream) with "explain/why it matters" text, curated detectors, and one-key drilldowns.
For live capture, Babyshark uses tshark -T fields to extract things like DNS qname / TLS SNI / HTTP host; for offline PCAP it parses enough to build flows + summaries.
So: if you already live in tshark one-liners, tshark is faster. If you're trying to understand what's happening or teach/debug quickly, Babyshark is a nicer front-end.
This might be a clone of termshark as it does the same thing for the most part. Also to note that the Author's Github profile shows a good bit of vibe coding as of late.
Looking over the commit history of this project, I'm about 90% sure it was entirely done with a AI Coding Agent, and not even a very good one.
Thanks for the look. Babyshark is inspired by a bunch of terminal tools (termshark included), but the focus here is different: domains/weirdness-first drilldowns + "explain" + live-mode hostname hints (including observed IPs when DNS is encrypted/cached). If you try it and have specific gaps vs termshark, I'd love concrete feedback /issues.
the overwhelming part of wireshark is, at least in my experience teaching networking at a college level, the actual networking part. protocols, flows, packet structure, etc. kids tend to be up to speed on the UI part pretty quickly.
what the kids in my classes really struggle with is actually using any command line stuff (at least for a month or two), because it is so foreign to them (coming from GUI-only experience).
what specific parts are made easier with babyshark, compared to wireshark? the github readme didnt really sell me on the "easier than GUI" part, nor did your description here. is it the "explain (plan-English hints)" part? if so, i think you should focus on that. right now it looks pretty bare bones (e.g. "Weird stuff" does not seem easier or super helpful from a learning perspective)
I'm not trying to say it's better than the GUI but it hopes to be more guided. it’s *opinionated* about the first 60 seconds:
- *Overview dashboard*: immediately surfaces top talkers/flows + “what should I click next” instead of dropping you into the full packet list. - *Domains-first pivot*: `D` shows hostnames and lets you jump from a domain → the relevant flows. It also works when DNS answers aren’t visible (DoH/DoT/cached) by using observed IPs from SNI/Host flows. - *Weird stuff*: `W` is a curated set of “likely problems” (retransmits/out-of-order hints, resets, handshake issues, DNS failures when visible) with a short “why it matters” and a drill-down. - *Explain*: `?` gives plain-English hints for a selected flow + suggested next steps (follow stream, filter, pivot to domains/weird).
So it’s basically a guided triage layer on top of tshark/pcap data, with the “where do I start?” path baked in.
If you’ve got a specific teaching use-case (e.g. “why is this slow?” or “which host is generating traffic?”), I’d love to tune the Overview/Weird detectors around that. Open to PRs as well.
>So it’s basically a guided triage layer on top of tshark/pcap data, with the “where do I start?” path baked in.
i think there is definitely room for something like this, it just (at first glance from the readme at least) seems like the guided part of this tool is bolted on as a bit of an after thought.
it feels like you are currently in an odd position where the user is expected to know the networking jargon already, be able to recognize that something might be "weird" at a glance, but also not know how to drill down into the data. i think that is probably a small overlap of people.
if i were you, i would lean all-in on making it a learning tool.
>If you’ve got a specific teaching use-case (e.g. “why is this slow?” or “which host is generating traffic?”), I’d love to tune the Overview/Weird detectors around that.
i will put some thought into some real-world examples of what i would be interested in, from a teaching perspective. your post caught my eye because i am starting my wireshark module next week, so it is certainly timely.
How does it compare against tshark?
This isn't meant as a replacement for tshark. It actually uses tshark for the live capture part.
tshark is the engine; Babyshark is the guided Ul on top of it. • tshark: raw packet/field dump + powerful filters, but you have to know what fields to ask for and how to stitch the story together. • Babyshark: gives you an opinionated workflow (Overview → Domains/Weird → Flows → Packets/ Stream) with "explain/why it matters" text, curated detectors, and one-key drilldowns.
For live capture, Babyshark uses tshark -T fields to extract things like DNS qname / TLS SNI / HTTP host; for offline PCAP it parses enough to build flows + summaries.
So: if you already live in tshark one-liners, tshark is faster. If you're trying to understand what's happening or teach/debug quickly, Babyshark is a nicer front-end.
This might be a clone of termshark as it does the same thing for the most part. Also to note that the Author's Github profile shows a good bit of vibe coding as of late.
Looking over the commit history of this project, I'm about 90% sure it was entirely done with a AI Coding Agent, and not even a very good one.
Thanks for the look. Babyshark is inspired by a bunch of terminal tools (termshark included), but the focus here is different: domains/weirdness-first drilldowns + "explain" + live-mode hostname hints (including observed IPs when DNS is encrypted/cached). If you try it and have specific gaps vs termshark, I'd love concrete feedback /issues.
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