I had similar feelings but the comments below about adding an SDR to it with an M.2 slot got me looking a little closer. This has an 8-core Rockchip A72/A53 processor and 8GB of RAM. This is not an incremental improvement over the Flipper Zero, this is something else entirely. Hmmmmm...
It's more like a portable Raspberry Pi with better efficiency and more IO. And hopefully even better mainline Linux support out of the gate.
The key question will be how much it costs. Beyond $250-300, it's a lot more of a niche product. Below $250 would be very interesting. I don't think it will be below $300. With current memory and storage pricing, probably $350-400 is more realistic :(
Does it need to be so cheap? With these specs it would make a decent replacement for a low end general purpose computer. The older NUC I use for a lot of stuff has similar-to-worse specs than this thing does.
That's exactly my point! It's a low to midrange computer with extremely high portability including a grayscale display. Where else are you going to get that functionality combined as a single unit?
Considering this is 6.1 inches wide and 1.6 inches thick, I think I'd be happier with a GPD that's 6.8 inches wide and 1.0 inches thick. And I can put the screen into grayscale mode if I want?
I have a $140 Lenovo education market laptop I got from their site, new. It doesn’t have a built in Ethernet port but I taped an L shaped usb dongle to the back.
I use it as a terminal mostly.
So I feel like if this costs more than $400, it’s DOA
Chip intended for this thing is also heavily blobbed. Even the creator lists "Push vendors to open up their existing closed-source code and ditch binary blobs entirely." as one of the goals as if small niche gadget had any chance of erven nudging the needle.
We are talking Rockchip, company mired in numerous GPL violations with latest nuking their github repository early this year.
This is not a general purpose computer though. There is no keyboard and you would need to start adding stuff. The volumne then would be bulky as hell. Any small form factor laptop would be cheaper and easier and also has better specs.
A cheap laptop with display and keyboard, which would be capable of all that stuff the flipper can do, starts at 200 Euros.
Its got 8gb of ddr5 in it. That's already a huge chunk of $300 - I'm not even sure they will get the BOM down to $300.
I'm guessing it'll be $1000 or so. (Which is good for me. Well above my impulse buy threshold. I don't regret buying my Flipper Zero, because it was within my impulse buy and not regret it threshold.)
I forgot it has a battery as well, so add on the extra power and charging circuitry. Yeah, probably north of $500, but I can't imagine it being closer to $1000 :/
That extra circuitry is like a dollar retail. That should not be a significant impact on the price. For the battery itself, three 18650s would add $5 to the BOM so I'm not expecting a huge difference from that either.
At the scale they have, prices probably not quite so low, but the power stuff would be more if they use higher quality parts and factor in the integration / firmware bits.
I'd love to have a "shit hit the fan" style computer (like a cyberdeck), but also be able to do radio communications stuff as a hobby. But there's no ready-made cyberdeck as far as I know; I feel like Flipper has enough mindshare to be able to lead a project like this.
(Clockwork comes close: https://www.clockworkpi.com/, as do these tiny handheld laptops with network and serial ports like GPD's Micro PC)
I used it to scan my cat's microchips which let me catch that my recent adoption had the wrong number registered and correct it.
Today I used my swiss army knife for the first time in a year because I needed a narrow flathead in a pinch. Not all tools need to be used everyday. I can't remember the last time I used my 3/8" wrench.
A friend of mine has a HackRF in his car continuously transmitting the charge-port-open command. Sometimes he sends me videos of the "salutes" he gets from them.
I was skiing in Mammoth a few months ago and one day they disabled the automated readers on all the lifts and began manually checking the RFID lift ticket/cards. I suspected somebody had cloned a pass to save money for their group.
Yeah each pass will have a unique code for every user, if they find the same user entering multiple times in a short amount of time it will flag up. I gathered they use facial recognition too so if they see the same card with different faces it'll flag up as well. They don't fuck around.
(granted, facial recognition in a ski resort is uh. an interesting challenge)
They can clone NFC tags, if the phone hardware, drivers and software permits. It really depends on how smart the chip inside the smartphone is and how locked down its drivers are. I still keep around a Galaxy S3 because its reader does not complain when writing to UID fields of a NFC tag. Saved a lot of friends exorbitant second keyfob landlord fees.
I had plenty of fun reverse engineering a 433.92 MHz protocol curtain motors at my house use. Once that was done and I taught first my Flipper Zero, then a RPi with a C1101 to actuate the motors, the Flipper is sitting idly in the drawer.
I use mine all the time, in that it has a subGhz app that queries a raspi for the room temperature and if it gets above 78 degrees F it sends the 'on' code to the ceiling fan, above 85 degrees and it sends a couple of speed up codes. When the temperature reverse it sends slow down and then off codes.
Mine got me an angry email from IT once because I accidentally plugged it into my work laptop instead of the charger. Two black cables right next to each other. Oops.
I've had more success. Flipper taught me about sdr, and I was able to reverse quite a lot from my garage door pilot. Then I went on an adventure of cracking Keeloq cipher, and I haven't stopped since.
I've been happy with my Zero, cloned some friends apartment building door fobs, and using it for missing remotes for TV's and fans. But that damn dolphin is always angry with me for not using it enough.
I have done exactly the same type and amount of stuff with my flipper zero, probably in the target demo. still, no complaints! I think the one is a cool toy that I will one day (if I’m lucky) use as the perfect solution for a problem. If I can do that just once, it’ll be worth the price for me.
Im the same way. Ive used it maybe twice to change tv channels. I mostly got it for the novelty value, probably gonna sell it.
Ive been more excited for this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/interrupt/
interrupt-linux-powered-hacking-gadget/description. I used to have a One Plus One with Nethunter. That was a lot more useful as a hacking device. The only issue is that it required external adapters for things like wifi deauth, ir remote, e.t.c. But the ability to customize things on the fly was way better, compared to Flipper which you really can't do.
I can just do all of it with a laptop. At that price point they will have to put it, it will not be worth it to buy it to carry it around to play around 'sometimes'.
I ran the 'alternative' driver version of a wifi card 15 years ago already for basic wep/wpa attacks on my laptop.
I don't think one very specific, custom made, non upgradable linux device gives me that much benefit through an exculsivley free driver.
And just wait for the price point.
Tbh i do like that they are doing this, i like the idea of cyberdecks etc. i just don't think that this Flipper One makes relevant sense. And im quite convinced that Flipper Zero is sitting in a lot of drawers and are absolutly unused.
If they would work/support the framework laptop modules, or would build usb hacker rf type style things and the linux software, that would reduce their risk and increase the reach. But a custom device like this?
maybe I'm blind, but it looks like there's no radio! like there's wifi and bluetooth, sure, but I don't see NFC or RFID or sub-1ghz radio, at all.
imo the flipper always needed to be a software-defined transciever, with a small FPGA to drive it, like the other SDRs on the market. I'm disappointed they seem to have forsaken radio completely.
No pricing on that sSDR yet, but their single channel M.2 SDR is $360. My guess it the dual channel one would be close to $500. Nice, but above my impulse buy threshold... (It won't surprise me if a Flipper One with that sSDR in it will cost close to $1,500.)
This is where I land as well, except I'd go higher. Ukraine has caused the pricing of any FPGA equipped SDR to skyrocket.
Plus incredibly high sample rates that the sSDR supports would likely result in a lot of drops in sampling due to sustained throughput issues of the device itself. You'd be surprised how much dropping occurs on even fairly modern/grunty machines. I used to record X band weather satellite baseband on a HP Dev One and ended up using a ramdisk for baseband recording as the PCIe 2.0 bus wasn't able to handle the sustained write speeds once the nvme drive's buffer was maxed out. Basically anything above 30Msps would go to RAM.
As strong as the lure is of a cute RF device, I've never bought a flipper as I couldn't justify it given the multitude of other SDRs and radio hardware I have. EG RFNM, BladeRF 2.0 xA4, hackRF clone, RTL-SDRs and NESDRs, as well as a YardStick.
Lots of laptops have M.2 ports. You can also get M.2 for Raspberry Pi. I don't know why I would buy this device. I guess it's cool that it's small, but the screen sucks.
The flipper zero was already in a grey area because it easily enables one to do things in licensed bands and do things you’re not allowed to do in unlicensed bands. They can’t plausibly add even more functions in this area and still sell to the public. Presumably all of the interfaces they added are for users to add the functions under their own responsibility.
They don't care what the product can technically do, they care what people think it does, if it can actually do that. The Flipper Zero is openly advertised as a hacking device.
Governments should not be understood as if(!follows_law) punish(); it's rather if(seems_bad) {if(follows_law) {change_law(); punish();} else punish();} else if(rand() < 0.1) punish();
And? Are you allowed to buy and own a gun because of your point you are trying to make?
No
In germany radio frequencies are also protected. For citizen band / CB above channel 40 you need to register yourself. Every radio device needs to be certified. The only people in germany allowed to build their own radio devices are people with a amateur radio license.
Regulatory authorities aren't exactly known to care, customs officials even less, and the laws backing both are sometimes damn insane, especially when anything RF is concerned.
There are countries where you technically need a ham radio license to import a radio, even if you are theoretically allowed to use it just to listen.
Most likely you will have to buy the M2 adapters, for cellular, wifi, maybe zigbee and others radios, and you will switch between them, it’s also good for their profit but bad for your pocket.
Display connected to the microcontroller instead of the Linux SoC is an interesting choice
Actually, putting all of this powerful hardware into a custom aluminum enclosure with gorilla glass and then using a 6-bit low resolution grayscale display is a weird choice. I guess they were going for a certain grayscale low-fi vibe?
The "needs verification" and "needs clarification" lines are weird. Like they asked someone (or ChatGPT?) to review some docs and post something, but forgot to review it first.
> Display connected to the microcontroller instead of the Linux SoC is an interesting choice
There's a comment at the bottom about that. Quoting the response:
> From the Linux side, it's a standard framebuffer and keyboard that applications interact with as usual. However, our connection allows the MCU to intercept them and overlay additional content — for example, if the CPU hangs, we can still show a menu on the display and respond to button presses, say for a reboot. This also lets us have a low-power mode with the display still on.
Re:choice of display, I'm betting it's for power saving. If you need a better display you can use the HDMI port or DisplayPort USB-C port and just hook it right up to a monitor/TV
I'm guessing it'll have a similar phone app to the Zero. I quite often use that, sometimes foe stealth so i can have the FZ in my pocket and look like I'm doomscrolling and not sniffing the airwaves, and sometimes just because almost 60 year old eyes have a better time using my phone screen instead of the tiny/grainy FZ one.
The Flipper Zero's screen is transflective, I suspect this one is the same. While this technology is possible on larger color displays, it is more common to find these manufactured as small grey-scale screens. They're ideal for battery operated devices because of their low power requirements -- they are legible with the backlight entirely off as long as there is light in the room.
Grayscale displays have no subpixels (or just one, depends how you view it) which should allow for more light from the backlight to pass through compared to a color display, thus reducing energy needs for a given brightness.
I wasn't expecting the Ethernet ports. I would love to be able to plug this in an know in a second what tagged vlans are preset, what addr/mask the DHCP server offered, is PXE an option? blink an LED if there's a new RA, ipv6 neighbor, etc. Blink an LED if there's been a 802.3x pause frame in the last 500ms, or 802.3Qbb while we're at it. With the pair of ports, let me MITM so the 802.1X negotiation can take place before I start sniffing.
I currently do all this with my laptop and wireshark, it just takes time, a USB-C-to-1GBaseT adapter (my ultrabook doesn't have a built-in port) and I have to figure out the capture filter, and all that that still doesn't let me MITM like this dual port device would.
Voice commands may be a valuable feature. This thing has limited input: no keyboard, small non-touchscreen. In addition, it is meant to be wired, which means it may end up in an inconvenient position. Also, the SoC they are using has a NPU, so local AI is a possibility.
Calling it "voice commands" or "AI voice assistant" is just marketing. I think the latter is a bit out of touch though, they are not selling a smartphone. I would even go as far as saying they are selling an "anti-smartphone".
Perhaps an uncommon/unpopular opinion but with the AI like writing style... I unfortunately seriously doubt multiple aspects of this product on multiple grounds.
If someone said "I asked ChatGPT to make a safe Flipper One and pasted it", I'd believe it. Some stuff here... just doesn't make much sense.
I mean, one of the very first things I would do on a such powerful device is to run a voice-controlled agent with access to all the IO the Flipper has and let the agent take over the device to do whatever I want.
I can imagine having your agent of preference writing python scripts on the fly for whatever scenario you have in mind based on your spoken desires is like... literally a dream device, at least for me.
I was getting very excited about this until I realized it's huge. Bigger than my phone in most dimensions. There go my dreams of a Flipper Zero-esque device I can port RockBox to and plug in for a low-power Linux PC...
It looks like a completely different product, not an evolution of the Flipper Zero.
The main focus here seems to be networking, not Radio/IR/etc... In fact it doesn't even have these features. They could be added but that would be missing the point. The point of the Flipper Zero is to have all these in a cute little package, and have a community around a common hardware platform. If you start adding stuff, there are certainly better/cheaper options, especially if you already have a laptop, or maybe even a smartphone.
Also the original Flipper Zero is about $200, it is at the upper limit of what can be considered a toy. Something you can buy without thinking "do I really need this?". The Flipper One is far more powerful, and the casing is not just a plastic clamshell, so it is likely to be significantly more expensive, so, not a toy, especially if you buy accessories, like a PCIe SDR.
Also, part of the appeal of the Flipper Zero is that out of the box, it does things that few non-specialized devices do, especially sub-GHz radio. The Flipper One is essentially just a computer. I already have WiFi and Ethernet on plenty of other devices, so it doesn't really open new possibilities.
I guess they are trying to go for a more serious tool this time, because as it is, I don't see people buying it on a whim like with the Flipper Zero.
Side note: There is a somewhat surprising lack of PoE, considering how much attention the gave to power management, and the fact that one of their use cases involve a security camera. Maybe they did consider it but some technical reasons made it impractical, 48V may be too much to handle.
i think this can be confidently called a cyberdeck. some may say a full massproduced commercial unit goes against the spirit of che hobby but...
there are now hardware clones and evolutions(!) of the flipper zero, community alt firmwares, add-on thingymajigs etc; if they stay as open with this one, having some 'cyberdeck r&d' done with funding might be cool
e.g. if they do a good job on the os side, it could become a cool jumping-off point for a variety of builds
note i've never actually owner a flipper device or clone :p
I use my Flipper Zero weekly (or more frequent). This new model feels much more powerful than the ones based on RPi Zero as a handheld device. I like how they managed to include two RJ45 ports and a USB-A port for connectivity. However, it's still too bulky for me. Perhaps when I get one, I'll try carrying it around all day to see how it goes.
There's also a nano SIM slot. With the two Ethernet ports, it's perfect for use as a mobile router. This use case alone is good enough for me.
For such a powerful device, I think the lack of a QWERTY keyboard and the inherited orange backlit monochrome display are two of its shortcomings. I don't want to carry a keyboard or screen with me, I want it to be able to take more human input/output without accessories.
For those interested in hackable, handheld Linux devices, the M5Stack Cardputer Zero is also worth a look. It will launch on Kickstarter soon, and I have reserved an early bird spot.
I've heard some professionally inclined RFID engineers dismiss these as mere toys and not useful compared to professional grade hardware. Perhaps some of those folk are on HN if so what are the tool sets you actually use that can be sold to the public?
RF design is very much an art, and the difference between works and works really well without harmonics and noise is a matter of design subtleties and often expensive parts. There are decent SDR setups around $500-700 that are known to be pretty good, but you have to go out of your way to buy them from the actual design houses, because despite being “identical”, the clones are not the same. In RF, the devil is in the details.
I like my HackRFOne, but be aware it's half-duplex, so it can transmit as well as receive - but can only do one of them at a time. For a little more money you can get full duplex SDRs, which opens up a bunch of extra interesting sttuff you can do.
A hackrf is less expensive than a flipper and more capable in every way, except the dolphin gifs.
The flipper's primary use is that looks like a children's toy, which makes it far more effective for demos of how bad an orgs security is to not-especially-technical stakeholders than something like a hackrf or chameleon
It’s not a toy, it’s an AIO portable hacking budget device, it’s like comparing your pocket swiss knife to your workshop. Obviously your workshop will be better, but you are not taking it anywhere! I have for example a bladRF and limeSDR for more in depth work in radios, but I do still use flipper occasionally where bringing a laptop+sdr+antenna is hard or impossible, let alone looking like a dork doing so. For rfid, it’s great to put all your keyfobs in one place and backing them up, the condo I live in right now charges $50 if you lost your fob and needed a replacement, among many other usages. And those are some of the very basic use cases where it’s handy to have it portable.
I have a flipper zero which I use monthly to provision keyfobs for new members of the hackerspace I run. Great little device! This new one doesn't have an nfc/rfid reader/writer so the use-case is a bit befuddling. I'd love to hear how people would use this and how it might beat out, say, a used thinkpad.
Dual gigabit ethernet + even 6ghz wifi means this will likely work nicely as a travel router, which would mean I might actually carry it. There are a whole bunch of portable server use cases this opens up especially as it seems to have a bit of CPU grunt. My Zero was fun but has languished in drawers.
I like a device with these kinds of specs and this size, but I'd want all of this and all the hardware on the flipper zero as well. Seems all the RF/radio stuff is gone :/ I'd want at least that and more.
I wish I could get the Flipper 0 or 1, but it isn't accessible from what I know. And I'd build my own (I'd use it for my AC which has one of those shitty IR AA/AAA-battery style) or maybe even a way for me to control it from the web... Hmm. Problem with doing that is that I'd either need a pi or similar, and a pi seems massively overkill for something like that...
i think i'd buy a $279 refurbished steamdeck and a bag of usb-c sensor-widgets from aliexpress. ...In fact I did. I plug my flipper zero into it sometimes, too.
I love my Flipper Zero, even though I have barely used it much. But I'm much more excited for the busy.bar which I think is from the same team. I'm hoping that gets ready to ship soon!
Lots wondering about the dropping of NFC/other contactless radios. I'd argue Flipper never did this as well as a real Proxmark, and the Flipper One does well to stray from the half baked implementation in the zero
No SDR? That's a bummer because otherwise it looks amazing. Yeah, I understand they are complimentary. But this would not be a big deal if you'd be able to easily connect both Flipper versions (wirelessly) and use the internal hardware and addons of the Flipper Zero with the Flipper One as if they were one device. Maybe even establishing a protocol that could be used to connect more external devices that understand their stndard.
Wasn't it designed that way so you can pass it off as a toy in situations like that? It even comes with games and a dummy mode that hides everything except the tamagotchi screen.
I need evidence. I've been through TSA lots of times with mine and taking it on transcontinental flights. No one's ever cared. Last year I flew to Def Con with a Mesthtastic radio and a Raspberry Pi server strapped to my backpack, complete with cabling, and no one batted an eye.
There's no regulation against carrying one around with you, including on flights.
Likewise, I've flown more in the last year than in the decade prior and every single leg my Flipper has been in the side pocket of my backpack. Never once has it received even a second look from the TSA, including also DEF CON.
That's pretty simple - the chosen display is best for core usage. Cleay visible in bright sun or dark, sharp angles, easy on the battery. For anything else, there's a HDMI out isn't there.
- Unlike Zero this looks more like Teenage Engineering product for computer nerds. Price tag will most likely match this.
- Form factor will barely fit everything (battery).
- Specs are LLM generated/hallucinated. Can tell by writing/emoji style and specs itself.
- GPIO connector pinout specced by someone with no fast digital logic experience.
- Buying flipper zero was (is it still?) pumping money to russia. Even after pretending to re-allocate their infrastructure was still in russia before being hidden behind cloudflare.
While I am fan for all the extra nerdy stuff, especially the cellular connectivity, but I doubt the battery endurance will be impressive, my current zero lasts weeks on a single charge. This is more of rpi plus addons in one package, great, but until we get to know the heat and battery life.
They mention in the comments intending to have modes that solely run on the microcontroller, so I imagine that might help somewhat.
This also feels like the target market is people who said they dangled this off an RPi-alike to do something that the microcontroller simply did not have the processing to do.
Technical specifications allow language models to run on this hardware (e.g. quantized 500 million parameter with 8GB LPDDR5 RAM). The Flipper One is AI capable and equipped with Ethernet, it can tackle agentic AI. I imagine a fleet of Flipper's, each with its own agent.
I have a Flipper Zero and I've used it... occasionally. Like that one time controlling the Taylor Swift Eras tour wristbands: https://blog.jgc.org/2024/05/controlling-taylor-swift-eras-t... but it's mostly sat around being an odd device.
I duplicated a couple of RFID things, used the IR for some stuff, and once in a while used the radio receiver, but mostly it looks pretty.
I'm not sure what I'd do with a Flipper One, but I guess I've done a lot of things with Raspberry Pis so... maybe?
I had similar feelings but the comments below about adding an SDR to it with an M.2 slot got me looking a little closer. This has an 8-core Rockchip A72/A53 processor and 8GB of RAM. This is not an incremental improvement over the Flipper Zero, this is something else entirely. Hmmmmm...
It's more like a portable Raspberry Pi with better efficiency and more IO. And hopefully even better mainline Linux support out of the gate.
The key question will be how much it costs. Beyond $250-300, it's a lot more of a niche product. Below $250 would be very interesting. I don't think it will be below $300. With current memory and storage pricing, probably $350-400 is more realistic :(
Does it need to be so cheap? With these specs it would make a decent replacement for a low end general purpose computer. The older NUC I use for a lot of stuff has similar-to-worse specs than this thing does.
If it’s not cheap, then what differentiates it from a $150 Linux laptop and $30 dongle
That's exactly my point! It's a low to midrange computer with extremely high portability including a grayscale display. Where else are you going to get that functionality combined as a single unit?
I've been eyeing the MNT Pocket Reform for a while:
https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform
Considering this is 6.1 inches wide and 1.6 inches thick, I think I'd be happier with a GPD that's 6.8 inches wide and 1.0 inches thick. And I can put the screen into grayscale mode if I want?
I have a $140 Lenovo education market laptop I got from their site, new. It doesn’t have a built in Ethernet port but I taped an L shaped usb dongle to the back.
I use it as a terminal mostly.
So I feel like if this costs more than $400, it’s DOA
A steam deck maybe?
A mobile phone?
There are not so many running mainline Linux with all free drivers.
Chip intended for this thing is also heavily blobbed. Even the creator lists "Push vendors to open up their existing closed-source code and ditch binary blobs entirely." as one of the goals as if small niche gadget had any chance of erven nudging the needle.
We are talking Rockchip, company mired in numerous GPL violations with latest nuking their github repository early this year.
See the Mecha Comet
This is not a general purpose computer though. There is no keyboard and you would need to start adding stuff. The volumne then would be bulky as hell. Any small form factor laptop would be cheaper and easier and also has better specs.
A cheap laptop with display and keyboard, which would be capable of all that stuff the flipper can do, starts at 200 Euros.
Its got 8gb of ddr5 in it. That's already a huge chunk of $300 - I'm not even sure they will get the BOM down to $300.
I'm guessing it'll be $1000 or so. (Which is good for me. Well above my impulse buy threshold. I don't regret buying my Flipper Zero, because it was within my impulse buy and not regret it threshold.)
I forgot it has a battery as well, so add on the extra power and charging circuitry. Yeah, probably north of $500, but I can't imagine it being closer to $1000 :/
That extra circuitry is like a dollar retail. That should not be a significant impact on the price. For the battery itself, three 18650s would add $5 to the BOM so I'm not expecting a huge difference from that either.
At the scale they have, prices probably not quite so low, but the power stuff would be more if they use higher quality parts and factor in the integration / firmware bits.
>better mainline Linux support
haha
for reference
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/chinese-semiconductor-...
https://securityonline.info/open-source-standoff-github-free...
https://hackaday.com/2026/01/05/github-disables-rockchips-li...
https://legal.gpl-violations.narkive.com/gAoCqXFb/rockchip-r...
https://mastodon.social/@geerlingguy/113698847221483936 "I was told Rockchip no longer considers RK3588 to be an “open source” chip"
I'd love to have a "shit hit the fan" style computer (like a cyberdeck), but also be able to do radio communications stuff as a hobby. But there's no ready-made cyberdeck as far as I know; I feel like Flipper has enough mindshare to be able to lead a project like this.
(Clockwork comes close: https://www.clockworkpi.com/, as do these tiny handheld laptops with network and serial ports like GPD's Micro PC)
Oh what is it? A powerbank? No a Router! No its Batman
sry had to do this...
I used it to scan my cat's microchips which let me catch that my recent adoption had the wrong number registered and correct it.
Today I used my swiss army knife for the first time in a year because I needed a narrow flathead in a pinch. Not all tools need to be used everyday. I can't remember the last time I used my 3/8" wrench.
> Not all tools need to be used everyday. I can't remember the last time I used my 3/8" wrench.
Now our 10mm sockets on the other hand, would be used everyday if we could ever lay our hands on one when we need them.
Huh, now I feel like I should scan my dog.
Thank you.
> I can't remember the last time I used my 3/8" wrench.
Yeah, I always lose my 10mm as well...
Heh... I used Flipper Zero to clone RFID tags for all the neighbors to T5577 rings, pins, sticky pads and whatever not for our gated community.
If you are adventurous, many ski stations have low-tech cards as well, although they also tend to have human controllers once in a while.
And, finally, kids like running around with Flipper Zero opening power taps on Teslas.
> And, finally, kids like running around with Flipper Zero opening power taps on Teslas.
one time I parked in a tesla near to a bank of superchargers.
every time someone hooked up their car to charge (pressing the button on the charging cable), my charge port would swing open.
every minute or two...
A friend of mine has a HackRF in his car continuously transmitting the charge-port-open command. Sometimes he sends me videos of the "salutes" he gets from them.
I was skiing in Mammoth a few months ago and one day they disabled the automated readers on all the lifts and began manually checking the RFID lift ticket/cards. I suspected somebody had cloned a pass to save money for their group.
Yeah each pass will have a unique code for every user, if they find the same user entering multiple times in a short amount of time it will flag up. I gathered they use facial recognition too so if they see the same card with different faces it'll flag up as well. They don't fuck around.
(granted, facial recognition in a ski resort is uh. an interesting challenge)
Pretty sure the most use I've got out of mine is using it as a tv-b-gone.
Are smartphones not capable of cloning RFID tags?
They can clone NFC tags, if the phone hardware, drivers and software permits. It really depends on how smart the chip inside the smartphone is and how locked down its drivers are. I still keep around a Galaxy S3 because its reader does not complain when writing to UID fields of a NFC tag. Saved a lot of friends exorbitant second keyfob landlord fees.
NFC yes, RFID I don't know.
https://github.com/nfcgate/nfcgate
Typically the hardware is capable of it, but the drivers aren't.
I've always wondered what could be done with Flock-style cameras (that I own, of course).
I had plenty of fun reverse engineering a 433.92 MHz protocol curtain motors at my house use. Once that was done and I taught first my Flipper Zero, then a RPi with a C1101 to actuate the motors, the Flipper is sitting idly in the drawer.
I use mine all the time, in that it has a subGhz app that queries a raspi for the room temperature and if it gets above 78 degrees F it sends the 'on' code to the ceiling fan, above 85 degrees and it sends a couple of speed up codes. When the temperature reverse it sends slow down and then off codes.
Mine got me an angry email from IT once because I accidentally plugged it into my work laptop instead of the charger. Two black cables right next to each other. Oops.
I've had more success. Flipper taught me about sdr, and I was able to reverse quite a lot from my garage door pilot. Then I went on an adventure of cracking Keeloq cipher, and I haven't stopped since.
I've been happy with my Zero, cloned some friends apartment building door fobs, and using it for missing remotes for TV's and fans. But that damn dolphin is always angry with me for not using it enough.
You can turn that off in the settings.
It's about time someone rolled out a watch that has these capabilities.
I used it almost exclusively to give my nieces virtual amiibos when I come over to their house
You can also duplicate RFIDs with like a $5 scanner from Amazon (which is probably overpriced).
I plan on using it to create a backup password/2FA device... eventually
I have done exactly the same type and amount of stuff with my flipper zero, probably in the target demo. still, no complaints! I think the one is a cool toy that I will one day (if I’m lucky) use as the perfect solution for a problem. If I can do that just once, it’ll be worth the price for me.
Im the same way. Ive used it maybe twice to change tv channels. I mostly got it for the novelty value, probably gonna sell it.
Ive been more excited for this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/interrupt/ interrupt-linux-powered-hacking-gadget/description. I used to have a One Plus One with Nethunter. That was a lot more useful as a hacking device. The only issue is that it required external adapters for things like wifi deauth, ir remote, e.t.c. But the ability to customize things on the fly was way better, compared to Flipper which you really can't do.
What a weird thing to build.
I can just do all of it with a laptop. At that price point they will have to put it, it will not be worth it to buy it to carry it around to play around 'sometimes'.
How many laptops run exclusively free drivers with no Intel ME or AMD PSP nowadays?
You should look at MNT Research: https://mntre.com/
I ran the 'alternative' driver version of a wifi card 15 years ago already for basic wep/wpa attacks on my laptop.
I don't think one very specific, custom made, non upgradable linux device gives me that much benefit through an exculsivley free driver.
And just wait for the price point.
Tbh i do like that they are doing this, i like the idea of cyberdecks etc. i just don't think that this Flipper One makes relevant sense. And im quite convinced that Flipper Zero is sitting in a lot of drawers and are absolutly unused.
If they would work/support the framework laptop modules, or would build usb hacker rf type style things and the linux software, that would reduce their risk and increase the reach. But a custom device like this?
maybe I'm blind, but it looks like there's no radio! like there's wifi and bluetooth, sure, but I don't see NFC or RFID or sub-1ghz radio, at all.
imo the flipper always needed to be a software-defined transciever, with a small FPGA to drive it, like the other SDRs on the market. I'm disappointed they seem to have forsaken radio completely.
They added an M.2 port [1] to which you can attach a variety of modules, including SDR (eg. [2] 30 MHz - 11 GHz).
[1]: https://docs.flipper.net/one/hardware/m2-port/modules [2]: https://www.crowdsupply.com/wavelet-lab/ssdr
No pricing on that sSDR yet, but their single channel M.2 SDR is $360. My guess it the dual channel one would be close to $500. Nice, but above my impulse buy threshold... (It won't surprise me if a Flipper One with that sSDR in it will cost close to $1,500.)
This is where I land as well, except I'd go higher. Ukraine has caused the pricing of any FPGA equipped SDR to skyrocket.
Plus incredibly high sample rates that the sSDR supports would likely result in a lot of drops in sampling due to sustained throughput issues of the device itself. You'd be surprised how much dropping occurs on even fairly modern/grunty machines. I used to record X band weather satellite baseband on a HP Dev One and ended up using a ramdisk for baseband recording as the PCIe 2.0 bus wasn't able to handle the sustained write speeds once the nvme drive's buffer was maxed out. Basically anything above 30Msps would go to RAM.
As strong as the lure is of a cute RF device, I've never bought a flipper as I couldn't justify it given the multitude of other SDRs and radio hardware I have. EG RFNM, BladeRF 2.0 xA4, hackRF clone, RTL-SDRs and NESDRs, as well as a YardStick.
Lots of laptops have M.2 ports. You can also get M.2 for Raspberry Pi. I don't know why I would buy this device. I guess it's cool that it's small, but the screen sucks.
yeah but it kinda makes that a requirement instead of option for extra expansions
The page clearly describes how this is not a replacement or upgraded version of the flipper zero. It's a different kind of device.
The flipper zero was already in a grey area because it easily enables one to do things in licensed bands and do things you’re not allowed to do in unlicensed bands. They can’t plausibly add even more functions in this area and still sell to the public. Presumably all of the interfaces they added are for users to add the functions under their own responsibility.
For what reason? When I buy a hammer in hardware store, can smash all the windows of parked cars nearby..
They don't care what the product can technically do, they care what people think it does, if it can actually do that. The Flipper Zero is openly advertised as a hacking device.
Governments should not be understood as if(!follows_law) punish(); it's rather if(seems_bad) {if(follows_law) {change_law(); punish();} else punish();} else if(rand() < 0.1) punish();
And? Are you allowed to buy and own a gun because of your point you are trying to make?
No
In germany radio frequencies are also protected. For citizen band / CB above channel 40 you need to register yourself. Every radio device needs to be certified. The only people in germany allowed to build their own radio devices are people with a amateur radio license.
> Are you allowed to buy and own a gun because of your point you are trying to make?
> No.
Actually, most users of this site are. You're the odd one out here.
Regulatory authorities aren't exactly known to care, customs officials even less, and the laws backing both are sometimes damn insane, especially when anything RF is concerned.
There are countries where you technically need a ham radio license to import a radio, even if you are theoretically allowed to use it just to listen.
I wonder if that means they can sell them on amazon now.
Most likely you will have to buy the M2 adapters, for cellular, wifi, maybe zigbee and others radios, and you will switch between them, it’s also good for their profit but bad for your pocket.
Display connected to the microcontroller instead of the Linux SoC is an interesting choice
Actually, putting all of this powerful hardware into a custom aluminum enclosure with gorilla glass and then using a 6-bit low resolution grayscale display is a weird choice. I guess they were going for a certain grayscale low-fi vibe?
The "needs verification" and "needs clarification" lines are weird. Like they asked someone (or ChatGPT?) to review some docs and post something, but forgot to review it first.
> Display connected to the microcontroller instead of the Linux SoC is an interesting choice
There's a comment at the bottom about that. Quoting the response:
> From the Linux side, it's a standard framebuffer and keyboard that applications interact with as usual. However, our connection allows the MCU to intercept them and overlay additional content — for example, if the CPU hangs, we can still show a menu on the display and respond to button presses, say for a reboot. This also lets us have a low-power mode with the display still on.
Which sounds reasonable.
"needs clarification" looks like a pretty normal hardware design process as the details are finalised.
https://github.com/flipperdevices/flipperone-docs/commits/pu...
Re:choice of display, I'm betting it's for power saving. If you need a better display you can use the HDMI port or DisplayPort USB-C port and just hook it right up to a monitor/TV
I'm guessing it'll have a similar phone app to the Zero. I quite often use that, sometimes foe stealth so i can have the FZ in my pocket and look like I'm doomscrolling and not sniffing the airwaves, and sometimes just because almost 60 year old eyes have a better time using my phone screen instead of the tiny/grainy FZ one.
Most of the power in a display goes to the backlight. Going grayscale and low res wouldn't save much at the same level of backlight brightness.
The Flipper Zero's screen is transflective, I suspect this one is the same. While this technology is possible on larger color displays, it is more common to find these manufactured as small grey-scale screens. They're ideal for battery operated devices because of their low power requirements -- they are legible with the backlight entirely off as long as there is light in the room.
Remember these?:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81sQxjJBn1L._AC_.jpg
Grayscale displays have no subpixels (or just one, depends how you view it) which should allow for more light from the backlight to pass through compared to a color display, thus reducing energy needs for a given brightness.
It would if it was a transflective display.
Good lord the ChatGPT thing is funny. Though, I guess, not so funny for them, never gonna trust what they say again.
Interesting. No IR/RFID/NFC? That's the primary use of my Flipper Zero. So this is meant to be a different device rather than a successor.
The 3.5mm audio jack can be used to plug in an IR emitter.
I wasn't expecting the Ethernet ports. I would love to be able to plug this in an know in a second what tagged vlans are preset, what addr/mask the DHCP server offered, is PXE an option? blink an LED if there's a new RA, ipv6 neighbor, etc. Blink an LED if there's been a 802.3x pause frame in the last 500ms, or 802.3Qbb while we're at it. With the pair of ports, let me MITM so the 802.1X negotiation can take place before I start sniffing.
More ideas:
let me build an ARP table, then give me a button to send WoL packets to host(s) of my choosing.
Let me generate p0f fingerprints on MITM'd traffic.
you are not getting ARP of hosts that are sleeping in WoL waiting to be ran
Correct. But it's easier for me to power on a device and let it DHCP request than it is to have to type the mac address in on a d-pad keyboard.
You do know they make proper network troubleshooting tools, right?
I currently do all this with my laptop and wireshark, it just takes time, a USB-C-to-1GBaseT adapter (my ultrabook doesn't have a built-in port) and I have to figure out the capture filter, and all that that still doesn't let me MITM like this dual port device would.
What would you use instead?
Why the AI voice assistant? What? Is this perhaps a prank? That doesn't line up with the ethos of the Flipper Zero
Voice commands may be a valuable feature. This thing has limited input: no keyboard, small non-touchscreen. In addition, it is meant to be wired, which means it may end up in an inconvenient position. Also, the SoC they are using has a NPU, so local AI is a possibility.
Calling it "voice commands" or "AI voice assistant" is just marketing. I think the latter is a bit out of touch though, they are not selling a smartphone. I would even go as far as saying they are selling an "anti-smartphone".
Perhaps an uncommon/unpopular opinion but with the AI like writing style... I unfortunately seriously doubt multiple aspects of this product on multiple grounds.
If someone said "I asked ChatGPT to make a safe Flipper One and pasted it", I'd believe it. Some stuff here... just doesn't make much sense.
Where does it talk about a voice assistant?
The first image which annotates the controls has a "Push-to-Talk button" which is used for "Voice communication" and "AI assistant activation".
PTT sounds great, tiny walkie-talkies with user-provided antennas, and seems rugged too, I'd probably end up buying two at least :)
I mean, one of the very first things I would do on a such powerful device is to run a voice-controlled agent with access to all the IO the Flipper has and let the agent take over the device to do whatever I want.
I can imagine having your agent of preference writing python scripts on the fly for whatever scenario you have in mind based on your spoken desires is like... literally a dream device, at least for me.
And you're going to verify them on that tiny screen before executing them?
I was getting very excited about this until I realized it's huge. Bigger than my phone in most dimensions. There go my dreams of a Flipper Zero-esque device I can port RockBox to and plug in for a low-power Linux PC...
You may be interested in Librem 5 or Pinephone then.
It looks like a completely different product, not an evolution of the Flipper Zero.
The main focus here seems to be networking, not Radio/IR/etc... In fact it doesn't even have these features. They could be added but that would be missing the point. The point of the Flipper Zero is to have all these in a cute little package, and have a community around a common hardware platform. If you start adding stuff, there are certainly better/cheaper options, especially if you already have a laptop, or maybe even a smartphone.
Also the original Flipper Zero is about $200, it is at the upper limit of what can be considered a toy. Something you can buy without thinking "do I really need this?". The Flipper One is far more powerful, and the casing is not just a plastic clamshell, so it is likely to be significantly more expensive, so, not a toy, especially if you buy accessories, like a PCIe SDR.
Also, part of the appeal of the Flipper Zero is that out of the box, it does things that few non-specialized devices do, especially sub-GHz radio. The Flipper One is essentially just a computer. I already have WiFi and Ethernet on plenty of other devices, so it doesn't really open new possibilities.
I guess they are trying to go for a more serious tool this time, because as it is, I don't see people buying it on a whim like with the Flipper Zero.
Side note: There is a somewhat surprising lack of PoE, considering how much attention the gave to power management, and the fact that one of their use cases involve a security camera. Maybe they did consider it but some technical reasons made it impractical, 48V may be too much to handle.
i think this can be confidently called a cyberdeck. some may say a full massproduced commercial unit goes against the spirit of che hobby but...
there are now hardware clones and evolutions(!) of the flipper zero, community alt firmwares, add-on thingymajigs etc; if they stay as open with this one, having some 'cyberdeck r&d' done with funding might be cool
e.g. if they do a good job on the os side, it could become a cool jumping-off point for a variety of builds
note i've never actually owner a flipper device or clone :p
I use my Flipper Zero weekly (or more frequent). This new model feels much more powerful than the ones based on RPi Zero as a handheld device. I like how they managed to include two RJ45 ports and a USB-A port for connectivity. However, it's still too bulky for me. Perhaps when I get one, I'll try carrying it around all day to see how it goes. There's also a nano SIM slot. With the two Ethernet ports, it's perfect for use as a mobile router. This use case alone is good enough for me.
For such a powerful device, I think the lack of a QWERTY keyboard and the inherited orange backlit monochrome display are two of its shortcomings. I don't want to carry a keyboard or screen with me, I want it to be able to take more human input/output without accessories.
For those interested in hackable, handheld Linux devices, the M5Stack Cardputer Zero is also worth a look. It will launch on Kickstarter soon, and I have reserved an early bird spot.
The keyboard on Cardputer is horrible, I mean you already doing a special edition, why not put a decent one (almost anything would be better)
I've heard some professionally inclined RFID engineers dismiss these as mere toys and not useful compared to professional grade hardware. Perhaps some of those folk are on HN if so what are the tool sets you actually use that can be sold to the public?
RF design is very much an art, and the difference between works and works really well without harmonics and noise is a matter of design subtleties and often expensive parts. There are decent SDR setups around $500-700 that are known to be pretty good, but you have to go out of your way to buy them from the actual design houses, because despite being “identical”, the clones are not the same. In RF, the devil is in the details.
Which SDRs would you recommend at the $100, $300, $600, and $1200+ price points?
I’m not an expert but I know of a few. Are you looking at recieve only, or transmit/ recieve? What frequency ranges?
Off the top of my head
HackRF one- relatively cheap, pretty good transceiver, lots of crappy clones
USRP B205mini, expensive, fast, closer to pro equipment
I like my HackRFOne, but be aware it's half-duplex, so it can transmit as well as receive - but can only do one of them at a time. For a little more money you can get full duplex SDRs, which opens up a bunch of extra interesting sttuff you can do.
Do the hackRF folks make a more advanced one? I used to know of a good one around $600 but I can’t seem to remember it.
A hackrf is less expensive than a flipper and more capable in every way, except the dolphin gifs.
The flipper's primary use is that looks like a children's toy, which makes it far more effective for demos of how bad an orgs security is to not-especially-technical stakeholders than something like a hackrf or chameleon
Not too far from the truth. The Flipper is good as a toy, but for serious RFID things you want a proxmark 3 clone with Iceman firmware ;)
It’s not a toy, it’s an AIO portable hacking budget device, it’s like comparing your pocket swiss knife to your workshop. Obviously your workshop will be better, but you are not taking it anywhere! I have for example a bladRF and limeSDR for more in depth work in radios, but I do still use flipper occasionally where bringing a laptop+sdr+antenna is hard or impossible, let alone looking like a dork doing so. For rfid, it’s great to put all your keyfobs in one place and backing them up, the condo I live in right now charges $50 if you lost your fob and needed a replacement, among many other usages. And those are some of the very basic use cases where it’s handy to have it portable.
I think in Canada they were trying to ban it!
I have a flipper zero which I use monthly to provision keyfobs for new members of the hackerspace I run. Great little device! This new one doesn't have an nfc/rfid reader/writer so the use-case is a bit befuddling. I'd love to hear how people would use this and how it might beat out, say, a used thinkpad.
Dual gigabit ethernet + even 6ghz wifi means this will likely work nicely as a travel router, which would mean I might actually carry it. There are a whole bunch of portable server use cases this opens up especially as it seems to have a bit of CPU grunt. My Zero was fun but has languished in drawers.
It should.
I like a device with these kinds of specs and this size, but I'd want all of this and all the hardware on the flipper zero as well. Seems all the RF/radio stuff is gone :/ I'd want at least that and more.
Much prefer a sub-$100 optimisation of the Zero; tbh you probably wouldn't need change much.
I wish I could get the Flipper 0 or 1, but it isn't accessible from what I know. And I'd build my own (I'd use it for my AC which has one of those shitty IR AA/AAA-battery style) or maybe even a way for me to control it from the web... Hmm. Problem with doing that is that I'd either need a pi or similar, and a pi seems massively overkill for something like that...
i think i'd buy a $279 refurbished steamdeck and a bag of usb-c sensor-widgets from aliexpress. ...In fact I did. I plug my flipper zero into it sometimes, too.
I love my Flipper Zero, even though I have barely used it much. But I'm much more excited for the busy.bar which I think is from the same team. I'm hoping that gets ready to ship soon!
A Swiss army knife of the day - after all, Swiss Army knives also serve a psychological purpose. And they do it well!
There’s a definite overlap between this and the Cardputer Zero: https://youtu.be/lhS0trmBAAU?si=lLmCKdK3eHyMMAR0
M2 slot or a clipon addon? Nice to see more Swiss Army knives in this space
Is there a reason the case angles out by the touchpad (like an antenna below)? That little feature pushes the overall length of the device up.
Lots wondering about the dropping of NFC/other contactless radios. I'd argue Flipper never did this as well as a real Proxmark, and the Flipper One does well to stray from the half baked implementation in the zero
Looks both expensive and power hungry, will be interesting to see how that works out
No SDR? That's a bummer because otherwise it looks amazing. Yeah, I understand they are complimentary. But this would not be a big deal if you'd be able to easily connect both Flipper versions (wirelessly) and use the internal hardware and addons of the Flipper Zero with the Flipper One as if they were one device. Maybe even establishing a protocol that could be used to connect more external devices that understand their stndard.
Finally a legit prop for movies not a pcb taped to a TV remote
I like that subreddit too with the e-ink display wifi probing thing forget what it's called oh pwnagotchi
Not RISC-V? Uncool.
The low powered MCU (Raspberry Pi RP2350B) has RISC-V:
Dual ARM Cortex-M33 @ 150 MHz + Dual RISC-V Hazard3 @ 150 MHz
Two ethernet ports, this is lethal af
It has 2 Ethernet ports. I love it.
Side question: anyone know what they are using to make those 3d schemas with highlights?
I wish this thing looked more generic so the TSA won't confiscate it.
I'm as anti-TSA as the next guy, but I don't think they confiscate Flipper Zeros.
Uk border control has confiscated them in the past
"Steal" is more likely. That's what happened to me. Luckily it was paired and I was able to find it on the agent's person. "It fell."
Wasn't it designed that way so you can pass it off as a toy in situations like that? It even comes with games and a dummy mode that hides everything except the tamagotchi screen.
I wish more clone devices existed, with a variety of looks.
I fly with a flipper zero often. What are you talking about?
They are confiscated when they notice.
I need evidence. I've been through TSA lots of times with mine and taking it on transcontinental flights. No one's ever cared. Last year I flew to Def Con with a Mesthtastic radio and a Raspberry Pi server strapped to my backpack, complete with cabling, and no one batted an eye.
There's no regulation against carrying one around with you, including on flights.
Likewise, I've flown more in the last year than in the decade prior and every single leg my Flipper has been in the side pocket of my backpack. Never once has it received even a second look from the TSA, including also DEF CON.
It looks like a handheld gaming thing; not very interesting to people that see many similar devices every day.
Why put such crappy display on such a high power device?
That's pretty simple - the chosen display is best for core usage. Cleay visible in bright sun or dark, sharp angles, easy on the battery. For anything else, there's a HDMI out isn't there.
Them actually calling it HDMI now stood out to me. They made a point of avoiding that before.
- Unlike Zero this looks more like Teenage Engineering product for computer nerds. Price tag will most likely match this.
- Form factor will barely fit everything (battery).
- Specs are LLM generated/hallucinated. Can tell by writing/emoji style and specs itself.
- GPIO connector pinout specced by someone with no fast digital logic experience.
- Buying flipper zero was (is it still?) pumping money to russia. Even after pretending to re-allocate their infrastructure was still in russia before being hidden behind cloudflare.
Interesting. I'd expect to have at least low end SDR built in into the successor, else it will miss a lot of functionality without expansion board
While I am fan for all the extra nerdy stuff, especially the cellular connectivity, but I doubt the battery endurance will be impressive, my current zero lasts weeks on a single charge. This is more of rpi plus addons in one package, great, but until we get to know the heat and battery life.
They mention in the comments intending to have modes that solely run on the microcontroller, so I imagine that might help somewhat.
This also feels like the target market is people who said they dangled this off an RPi-alike to do something that the microcontroller simply did not have the processing to do.
Shut up and take my money.
"ok flipper hack everything, make no mistakes"
No NFC or RF?
Technical specifications allow language models to run on this hardware (e.g. quantized 500 million parameter with 8GB LPDDR5 RAM). The Flipper One is AI capable and equipped with Ethernet, it can tackle agentic AI. I imagine a fleet of Flipper's, each with its own agent.
Only one wifi? There's more fun to be had if there was two.
Plug a wifi module in the M.2 slot!
No NFC, no 1-wire, no IR? That's some tough losses :(
I hate this naming trend "One". Its very common and everytime I think, oh its an older one, the first one.
Yeah but like, the previous one was "Zero", so it makes a lot more sense than usual.
I for one think the PTT will be really great for calling specific tools without fumbling the menu and exactly how I'd like to use a device like this.
It's ugly