Why would that make you more conservative? Republicans don't have any answers to fix the US healthcare system. It would be far more plausible that someone that experienced the failure of the health care system would vote for a populist position here, and for healthcare the more convincing populist position is certainly the left one.
The current healthcare system was mostly shaped by Democrats with the Affordable Care Act (sometimes called Obamacare) at a time when Democrats held a filibuster proof majority.
The ACA is grounded in a lot of political policy going back to the Nixon era, and draws from quite a bit of conservative ideas. The individual mandate itself, for example, was a Heritage Foundation proposal from the late 80s, and was ironically one of the main targets of Republican objection during and after the implementation of the ACA.
The ACA is, in fact, warmed over RomneyCare(tm) (a Republican, please note) from Massachusetts.
The fact that Kentuckians loved Kynect and hated Obamacare--which are the exact same thing (aka the ACA)--tells you everything you need to know about the Republican voting public.
Additionally, the fact that Democrats took a pro-corporate conservative policy package and rebranded it speaks volumes about how much daylight actually exists between the parties when you ignore the culture war rag waving.
That's misunderstanding the paper. The correlation here is with outcomes, not support. Republicans may very well be more "jaded" with the healthcare system. But that doesn't explain why they die early.
Through what mechanism does dissatisfaction with our for-profit healthcare system lead to support for eg. expansionist foreign wars or aggressive policing policies?
I suspect this is probably more complicated. My family members who live in small towns and rural areas have been having larger health issues and more trouble getting care even if they want to for years if not decades compared to my relatives who live in major urban areas, and particularly those who live in more affluent areas. Like I'd go so far as to estimate that affluent areas metro adjacent are +7 years vs. non-affluent metro areas, which are also like +7 years vs. rural/small town areas or slum/poor metro areas. But I also think the kind of care and non-care my relatives in smaller/rural areas leads to exhaustion, loss of faith in the system, and interest in alternative options.
But I also don't doubt that adding the modern conservative delusions and paranoia on top of it all only worsens everything.
Life expectancy in Far West NSW is almost six years lower than in Sydney, with the divide getting worse.
Those in the Far West are twice as likely to die prematurely compared to those in Sydney, and ‘potentially avoidable’ deaths are two and a half times more likely.
Suicide is twice as likely for residents in the Far West, with rates trending up.
Why Australia? -
* Sidesteps the US Dem V Rep preconceptions.
* Highlights Rural V. Urban resource differences.
* Similar Political division in that AU regional tends more conservative (by AU standards) than AU urban.
It's absolutely multi factor, but likely more strongly tied to health assets, funding, and reach of public messaging than to political leanings (although asset distribution, funding, and messaging policy are, of course, tied to politics).
> It is important to point out though, that the last opportunity to establish single-payer healthcare in the US was prevented by the democratic party
It is only (possibly) important to point that out if single-payer healthcare is necessary for an affordable, high quality, universal healthcare system.
That is clearly not the case since there are several examples of first world countries with such systems that are not single-payer, such as Germany, France, Switzerland, and the Netherlands.
The Southern Strategy destroyed the GOP as we knew it. It is now the party of dumb. Say that and you get accused of being elitist, but it's the truth. You can win elections as the party of dumb. But, man, it's tough being dumb in the USA today. There's so much misinformation and marketing of harmful products.
Seems like causality might be reversed here. People become more politically conservative the more jaded they become with the healthcare system.
Why would that make you more conservative? Republicans don't have any answers to fix the US healthcare system. It would be far more plausible that someone that experienced the failure of the health care system would vote for a populist position here, and for healthcare the more convincing populist position is certainly the left one.
The current healthcare system was mostly shaped by Democrats with the Affordable Care Act (sometimes called Obamacare) at a time when Democrats held a filibuster proof majority.
The ACA is grounded in a lot of political policy going back to the Nixon era, and draws from quite a bit of conservative ideas. The individual mandate itself, for example, was a Heritage Foundation proposal from the late 80s, and was ironically one of the main targets of Republican objection during and after the implementation of the ACA.
If you review Nixon's CHIP proposal (https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehens...), you'll find a proposal that maps pretty closely onto the ACA marketplace that we now have available.
"Mostly shaped by Democrats with major proposals cribbed from Republicans" would be a more accurate assessment.
Do you earnestly think the electorate thinks about these things?
I'm just responding to the claim "The current healthcare system was mostly shaped by Democrats."
The ACA is, in fact, warmed over RomneyCare(tm) (a Republican, please note) from Massachusetts.
The fact that Kentuckians loved Kynect and hated Obamacare--which are the exact same thing (aka the ACA)--tells you everything you need to know about the Republican voting public.
Additionally, the fact that Democrats took a pro-corporate conservative policy package and rebranded it speaks volumes about how much daylight actually exists between the parties when you ignore the culture war rag waving.
Many people in the US become more liberal as they become more jaded by the (for-profit) healthcare system.
How do you become jaded with something you do not have access to? Has universal healthcare ever been tried in the US?
That's misunderstanding the paper. The correlation here is with outcomes, not support. Republicans may very well be more "jaded" with the healthcare system. But that doesn't explain why they die early.
Isn't it just that they're in the Republican misinformation ecosystem?
This because extreme over COVID. A particular low point was Herman Cain's Twitter account doing COVID denial while, and after, the man died of COVID.
They posthumously named The Herman Cain Award after him. https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
Through what mechanism does dissatisfaction with our for-profit healthcare system lead to support for eg. expansionist foreign wars or aggressive policing policies?
Fear of pronouns.
I suspect this is probably more complicated. My family members who live in small towns and rural areas have been having larger health issues and more trouble getting care even if they want to for years if not decades compared to my relatives who live in major urban areas, and particularly those who live in more affluent areas. Like I'd go so far as to estimate that affluent areas metro adjacent are +7 years vs. non-affluent metro areas, which are also like +7 years vs. rural/small town areas or slum/poor metro areas. But I also think the kind of care and non-care my relatives in smaller/rural areas leads to exhaustion, loss of faith in the system, and interest in alternative options.
But I also don't doubt that adding the modern conservative delusions and paranoia on top of it all only worsens everything.
Of interest to that point:
The Unlucky Country: Life expectancy and health in regional and remote Australia (2023) - https://apo.org.au/sites/default/files/resource-files/2023-0...
Why Australia? -* Sidesteps the US Dem V Rep preconceptions.
* Highlights Rural V. Urban resource differences.
* Similar Political division in that AU regional tends more conservative (by AU standards) than AU urban.
It's absolutely multi factor, but likely more strongly tied to health assets, funding, and reach of public messaging than to political leanings (although asset distribution, funding, and messaging policy are, of course, tied to politics).
It's well documented that healthcare providers in rural US are diminishing, and yet, they continue to vote for right wing candidates.
It is important to point out though, that the last opportunity to establish single-payer healthcare in the US was prevented by the democratic party.
The famous Hillary quote: "Single payer is off the table"
This is why the RNC has hated on the Clintons so much, and especially Hillary: they were muscling in on republican turf.
> It is important to point out though, that the last opportunity to establish single-payer healthcare in the US was prevented by the democratic party
It is only (possibly) important to point that out if single-payer healthcare is necessary for an affordable, high quality, universal healthcare system.
That is clearly not the case since there are several examples of first world countries with such systems that are not single-payer, such as Germany, France, Switzerland, and the Netherlands.
The Southern Strategy destroyed the GOP as we knew it. It is now the party of dumb. Say that and you get accused of being elitist, but it's the truth. You can win elections as the party of dumb. But, man, it's tough being dumb in the USA today. There's so much misinformation and marketing of harmful products.
Just reading the abstract makes me think of the phrase: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Oh well.
Republicans like to throw around "FAFO" to justify their cruelty.
Well, Republicans, FAFO.
Would need to affect reproduction for Darwinian effects to matter.
Encourage deathly extreme sports for kids/teens/20s/30s? Need more hysteric ball betting.
Build up the belief of rewards in afterlife - vergings towards other religions?
Win by playing a long game.