Point 6: The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive, mutually agreed plan with at least $300 billion (£225 billion) for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalised as part of a final deal within 60 days. All required licenses, waivers and permissions needed for the relevant financial transactions will be granted by the United States of America.
I have a feeling that he's going to try to strong-arm Europe into partly paying for this. Not that it will work.
The goal is obviously to make US taxpayers pay for it, but give room for the admin to lie and say we aren't. Similar to how Mexico was going to pay for the useless border wall.
Of course, point 1 (which includes immediate stoppage of the fighting in Lebanon) isn't happening -- which sort of renders the rest of the thing moot anyway.
It sounds like a huge amount of money and a clear sign of defeat. The US (or maybe Europe, who knows?) is paying Iran some form of tribute.
But, there's another way to see this: if you pay someone money, you end up with a lot of say in what they can or can't do. That money does not come with any guarantee; the party offering the money will keep the money flowing based on their own perception of good behavior of the party receiving the money. The post-Trump administrations will find themselves in the possession of a tremendous amount of leverage with Iran.
Yankee here. Happy for the people of Iran, assuming that money mostly benefits them and not the underground missile cities that should have been cleared out and turned into geothermal market cities and resource storage for their people.
Sure, the regime excels at sweeping performative actions that merely look like a real answer. It's enough to fool rubes, who hang on the superficial details with no seemingly ability to judge for themselves nor willingness to listen to analysis from their fellow citizens.
What do I want? Depose the "leaders" who started this war, and make them face justice for their crimes. From that place of honesty, negotiations can start. A pipe dream, of course.
But that was not the goal. The goal was to stop nuclear capability. Even now it has not been achieved. But as I understand the current deal is dependent on its achievement.
So it does not look like a total failure at this point.
It's nonsensical to talk about a "current deal" when these things are merely being used for marketing, and it's not compelling to have picked one currently-plausible "goal" from the hodgepodge of justifications that have been trotted out. It seems like you're still trying to shoehorn the situation into 4-d chess.
There is no "hodgepodge of justification". There is one thing that Trump has been insisting, and it is the nuclear power thing. He also says a lot of other stuff, but that is to irritate his detractors. But it is pretty easy to pick how the stuff he really cares about if you not very biased...
This is not successful negotiation. This is unsuccessful negotiation after a war you lost ... that was completely pointless and started by you.
And I think that what people want is to send there someone actually experienced in diplomacy and negotiations. Witkoff and Kushner must be the two least capable most incompetent negotiators in the world.
Bibi will fuck it up before the 60 days are up and we'll be back to square one again. Trump has zero control over him.
What a stupid, stupid idiot you folk in the US elected (twice!). Israel's been trying to pull the US into this mess for decades and no other president was dumb enough to take the bait until Trump.
From the live updates of the war on the NYT 11 minutes ago and around 15 mins after you wrote this:
“””Mideast Live Updates: Iranian Forces Say They Closed Strait of Hormuz
Iran’s military command blamed the U.S., saying it failed to prevent Israel from violating the cease-fire in Lebanon. Mediators in Pakistan said “technical talks” between the U.S. and Iran to end the war would be held on Sunday.”””
Trump's mishandling of the Israel-Iran war will be a great case study in international politics. But blaming Trump for Netanyahu's derangement is ill-thought. Even a Democrat President wouldn't have been able to reign him. In fact, once Biden / Harris allowed him to massacre the Palestinians in Gaza (remember, Biden publicly supported Netanyahu by announcing to the world that there is "no genocide in Gaza" - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/20/biden-gaza-not-geno... ), the US had already lost the plot to Netanyahu's mis-adventurism. I think at one point he was making his army fight in 7-8 fronts! Under him, Israel's army is now considering occupying territories in Gaza, Syria and Lebanon when their military resources and personnel are already overstretched (Israel has what 9-10 million population?). If you read Netanyahu's history, you will discover that he has been progressively getting radicalised in his political views - a brilliant man ( Professor recalls Netanyahu's intense studies in three fields - https://news.mit.edu/1996/netanyahu-0605 ), he started out as a moderate-right, who increasingly turned to conservatism when his political ideas didn't receive the reception he desired. And now finally, the pressures of the criminal charges and security failures of the now infamous Hamas attack (which he and his government is responsible for) has now fully radicalised him into a full-blown religious fundamentalist fascist as the ongoing genocide in Gaza, West Bank and Lebanon testifies to it ('Angel of destruction': What made Benjamin Netanyahu? - https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/israel-who-benjamin-... ).
I don't believe any US President can "manage" him now ... he is self-destructing and taking Israel down with him.
Point 6: The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive, mutually agreed plan with at least $300 billion (£225 billion) for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalised as part of a final deal within 60 days. All required licenses, waivers and permissions needed for the relevant financial transactions will be granted by the United States of America.
I have a feeling that he's going to try to strong-arm Europe into partly paying for this. Not that it will work.
The goal is obviously to make US taxpayers pay for it, but give room for the admin to lie and say we aren't. Similar to how Mexico was going to pay for the useless border wall.
Of course, point 1 (which includes immediate stoppage of the fighting in Lebanon) isn't happening -- which sort of renders the rest of the thing moot anyway.
It sounds like a huge amount of money and a clear sign of defeat. The US (or maybe Europe, who knows?) is paying Iran some form of tribute.
But, there's another way to see this: if you pay someone money, you end up with a lot of say in what they can or can't do. That money does not come with any guarantee; the party offering the money will keep the money flowing based on their own perception of good behavior of the party receiving the money. The post-Trump administrations will find themselves in the possession of a tremendous amount of leverage with Iran.
They already refused to join his war of choice, can't see them giving one cent to this.
Will go down in history as the single largest defeat in US history.
Paying your enemy $300bn to repair their country while you do not even take of your own would be the end of any other president, yet here we are.
Wikipedia already lists it as an Iranian victory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war
So Trump just took it unlubed up the ass so far it came out of his mouth, huh.
Wondering what the Yankees reading feel about forking out $300 billies to Iran.
Yankee here. Happy for the people of Iran, assuming that money mostly benefits them and not the underground missile cities that should have been cleared out and turned into geothermal market cities and resource storage for their people.
I'm sure it will, the Ayatollah and the IRGC are famous for caring about their citizens.
I think any successful negotiation will looks exactly like this. What do you guys want? A full-on world war 3?
Sure, the regime excels at sweeping performative actions that merely look like a real answer. It's enough to fool rubes, who hang on the superficial details with no seemingly ability to judge for themselves nor willingness to listen to analysis from their fellow citizens.
What do I want? Depose the "leaders" who started this war, and make them face justice for their crimes. From that place of honesty, negotiations can start. A pipe dream, of course.
But that was not the goal. The goal was to stop nuclear capability. Even now it has not been achieved. But as I understand the current deal is dependent on its achievement.
So it does not look like a total failure at this point.
It's nonsensical to talk about a "current deal" when these things are merely being used for marketing, and it's not compelling to have picked one currently-plausible "goal" from the hodgepodge of justifications that have been trotted out. It seems like you're still trying to shoehorn the situation into 4-d chess.
There is no "hodgepodge of justification". There is one thing that Trump has been insisting, and it is the nuclear power thing. He also says a lot of other stuff, but that is to irritate his detractors. But it is pretty easy to pick how the stuff he really cares about if you not very biased...
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This is not successful negotiation. This is unsuccessful negotiation after a war you lost ... that was completely pointless and started by you.
And I think that what people want is to send there someone actually experienced in diplomacy and negotiations. Witkoff and Kushner must be the two least capable most incompetent negotiators in the world.
Just curious what would a successful negotiation look like for you?
The same way they felt about getting dragged into a war by Israel.
Bibi will fuck it up before the 60 days are up and we'll be back to square one again. Trump has zero control over him.
What a stupid, stupid idiot you folk in the US elected (twice!). Israel's been trying to pull the US into this mess for decades and no other president was dumb enough to take the bait until Trump.
Prescient
From the live updates of the war on the NYT 11 minutes ago and around 15 mins after you wrote this:
“””Mideast Live Updates: Iranian Forces Say They Closed Strait of Hormuz Iran’s military command blamed the U.S., saying it failed to prevent Israel from violating the cease-fire in Lebanon. Mediators in Pakistan said “technical talks” between the U.S. and Iran to end the war would be held on Sunday.”””
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/06/20/world/iran-trump-isr...
Paywalled
Already happened
Trump's mishandling of the Israel-Iran war will be a great case study in international politics. But blaming Trump for Netanyahu's derangement is ill-thought. Even a Democrat President wouldn't have been able to reign him. In fact, once Biden / Harris allowed him to massacre the Palestinians in Gaza (remember, Biden publicly supported Netanyahu by announcing to the world that there is "no genocide in Gaza" - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/20/biden-gaza-not-geno... ), the US had already lost the plot to Netanyahu's mis-adventurism. I think at one point he was making his army fight in 7-8 fronts! Under him, Israel's army is now considering occupying territories in Gaza, Syria and Lebanon when their military resources and personnel are already overstretched (Israel has what 9-10 million population?). If you read Netanyahu's history, you will discover that he has been progressively getting radicalised in his political views - a brilliant man ( Professor recalls Netanyahu's intense studies in three fields - https://news.mit.edu/1996/netanyahu-0605 ), he started out as a moderate-right, who increasingly turned to conservatism when his political ideas didn't receive the reception he desired. And now finally, the pressures of the criminal charges and security failures of the now infamous Hamas attack (which he and his government is responsible for) has now fully radicalised him into a full-blown religious fundamentalist fascist as the ongoing genocide in Gaza, West Bank and Lebanon testifies to it ('Angel of destruction': What made Benjamin Netanyahu? - https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/israel-who-benjamin-... ).
I don't believe any US President can "manage" him now ... he is self-destructing and taking Israel down with him.
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