Does snapshot/suspend/resume keep processes/RAM alive - or do you need to re-start processes/reload stuff into RAM? How does that work under the hood (CRIU?) and how fast is it?
No CRIU. Snapshots are at the disk layer, not RAM.
`machine0 suspend` takes a full disk snapshot and tears down the compute;
you keep paying only for storage. `machine0 start` restores the disk and
cold-boots the VM from it. So processes restart, they don't resume
mid-execution. Practically: anything that survives a reboot survives a suspend.
Hi! Yes that's right. Sorry if it wasn't clear, but you do pay for storage. Cost is nominal compared to compute ($0.078/GB/month).
The other option is to define your entire environment as code using nix (we have native NixOS support). For example, you can use an agent to author code which declares everything on your machine: packages, libraries, shell, vim config... And then you can take that code and use it to rebuild a new VM on machine0 whenever you like (or somewhere else).
Hi! We're not the cheapest compute on the market. But we are cheaper than most sandbox providers / neoclouds. And customers are happy to pay for agent first DX coupled with the performance and reliability you expect from an established cloud.
> People run a pilot agent that scopes work and delegates it to sub-agents, each on its own VM: shape a project with the pilot, and the workers implement it and open PRs. One customer runs hundreds of machines at once, spun up and torn down from the CLI.
Are people spawning VMs for every tool call? If so, would love to understand why so, and why containers are not a good fit?
Hi! No not for every tool call. People are spinning up VMs for tasks that require sustained compute for hours or days. For example, they’ll deploy an agent with tools and a prompt to take an entire feature from spec to PR. Or an auto-research loop to improve the performance of an inference model.
You can totally ask an agent to orchestrate an existing cloud. But their APIs weren't designed for agentic orchestration, so it'll be more expensive in terms of context / turns (machine0 grammar is simple: new, ls, rm...).
The other thing is if you're running large workloads that span many machines (e.g. software factories, model training or RL environments), then over time you'll end up with orphaned artifacts that will need to be maintained (think security groups, volumes, elastic IPs etc).
Ultimately, most of our customers today just want to be able to spin up a powerful & reliable VM without worrying about DevOps or any other kind of maintenance :)
But, I don’t think this is your strongest argument. The APIs for those providers are pretty easy to orchestrate and don’t take that many tokens to use. (Especially if you are hosting on top of one of these providers)
Instead, I think some strengths you could focus on are (a) not being one of those providers, (b) having a better product mix that people want to use, and (c) keeping a minimal design. Clear use-cases, minimal friction, easy to keep the model in your head.
You definitely have a good product here with plenty of reasons to choose you. But your minimal API isn’t a great moat.
OpenRouter is valuable because it has a large catalogue of competing providers for a fungible service. This does the opposite (lock in with a specific vendor).
This looks useful. The per-minute billing on persistent VMs solves a real gap between serverless and reserved instances.
One question on the agent fleet pattern you described: when a pilot agent delegates to dozens of sub-agents across separate VMs, how do you track what the whole job actually cost? The VM minutes are visible, but the API calls each agent makes to OpenAI, Anthropic, Serper, Firecrawl, those are spread across processes and vendors.
We ran into this running our own agent fleets. Token counts only come back with the response, so per-key limits and vendor dashboards always arrive too late. focxle sits inside each agent process, attributes every call to a named agent, and prints a consolidated report showing per-agent and per-vendor spend plus the projected monthly at the current rate. That projected number is the one that gets budget attention.
Ohh nice catch! I'll update to the latest version and republish the base images tomorrow. But in the meantime, you can also just rebuild with the flakes: https://github.com/fdmtl/machine0-nixos
Hi! You get GPUs, much bigger machines and full control of the VM down to the drivers, kernel etc. It's also a lot cheaper, especially for compute intensive workloads. Also, if you're running agents in the VMs, you get native support for credential and MCP tool injection via profiles. We support NixOS too!
Hi! Sure: (1) running agent fleets for software factories, (2) Model training and RL environments orchestrated by agents and (3) as a backend for agentic products and platforms.
Yes, we're building more tooling around fleets, starting with profiles that let you manage named sets of credentials and MCP tools outside of the VM. We're also looking to support more backends and also BYOC.
I've hopelessly lost track of the "vm for agents, typically with a handy CLI for people also" space. Fly.io sprites. Modal. Blaxel. Morph. Daytona. Runloop. Ascii Box... I'm surely only scratching the surface. Then there's also the incumbent mega clouds for vms like Digital Ocean, and AWS/GCP/Azure compute instances etc. Also Blaxel is a YC company too?
I need an explainer. Each of these products is carving out a particular niche, or competing directly for someone else's niche with better X or Y, and I'd love to see some analysis of the landscape.
The Profiles idea is the interesting part. Injection at creation is the easy half; the hard half is revocation mid-session. If a credential in a profile rotates or gets pulled while a box is up for days, does the running VM keep the old value until restart? For long horizon agents that window is where the risk actually lives.
Hi! OAuth token refresh is handled within the profile, and will automatically get picked up by agents using it. If you actually want to pull or rotate a credential, you can do that too and re-inject.
The pattern that's increasingly common is having a pilot or orchestrator agent sitting on top of the fleet that manages this.
The profile-plus-orchestrator pattern is a clean answer, and re-inject existing at all puts you ahead of most setups I have seen. The remaining edge: a process that read the credential at boot still holds the old value in memory after a pull. Is re-inject a workload restart, or does something force consumers to re-read? That is the part I have never seen solved cleanly without short TTLs.
Modal is an ephemeral sandbox, whereas machine0 is a persistent VM you own: root, your own driver/CUDA/kernel, GPU passed straight through, and a fixed GPU per size.
Does snapshot/suspend/resume keep processes/RAM alive - or do you need to re-start processes/reload stuff into RAM? How does that work under the hood (CRIU?) and how fast is it?
No CRIU. Snapshots are at the disk layer, not RAM.
`machine0 suspend` takes a full disk snapshot and tears down the compute; you keep paying only for storage. `machine0 start` restores the disk and cold-boots the VM from it. So processes restart, they don't resume mid-execution. Practically: anything that survives a reboot survives a suspend.
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When you say suspendible, do you mean that I could make a VM, configure it by installing packages and libraries, then pause it?
And resume it later with the full disk ready to go? No billing during the inbetween time?
That’d be huge, but seems wild. How can you economically keep the storage between active sessions?
Hi! Yes that's right. Sorry if it wasn't clear, but you do pay for storage. Cost is nominal compared to compute ($0.078/GB/month).
The other option is to define your entire environment as code using nix (we have native NixOS support). For example, you can use an agent to author code which declares everything on your machine: packages, libraries, shell, vim config... And then you can take that code and use it to rebuild a new VM on machine0 whenever you like (or somewhere else).
Docs here: https://docs.machine0.io/examples/nixos
>machine0 provides on-demand cloud virtual machines accessible via a command-line interface and web dashboard. VMs run on DigitalOcean infrastructure.
Well, given DigitalOceans already inflated prices, this certainly won't be cheap.
Hi! We're not the cheapest compute on the market. But we are cheaper than most sandbox providers / neoclouds. And customers are happy to pay for agent first DX coupled with the performance and reliability you expect from an established cloud.
The funny thing is that DO itself has an MCP for spinning up VMs, resolving IPs, etc.
> People run a pilot agent that scopes work and delegates it to sub-agents, each on its own VM: shape a project with the pilot, and the workers implement it and open PRs. One customer runs hundreds of machines at once, spun up and torn down from the CLI.
Are people spawning VMs for every tool call? If so, would love to understand why so, and why containers are not a good fit?
Hi! No not for every tool call. People are spinning up VMs for tasks that require sustained compute for hours or days. For example, they’ll deploy an agent with tools and a prompt to take an entire feature from spec to PR. Or an auto-research loop to improve the performance of an inference model.
Basic question:
What are you doing here that my agent couldn't do with: AWS, GCP, Hetzner, DigitialOcean?
Quick read is this is some simple api abstraction? or you're even brokering that compute? Which i would want, why?
You can totally ask an agent to orchestrate an existing cloud. But their APIs weren't designed for agentic orchestration, so it'll be more expensive in terms of context / turns (machine0 grammar is simple: new, ls, rm...).
The other thing is if you're running large workloads that span many machines (e.g. software factories, model training or RL environments), then over time you'll end up with orphaned artifacts that will need to be maintained (think security groups, volumes, elastic IPs etc).
Ultimately, most of our customers today just want to be able to spin up a powerful & reliable VM without worrying about DevOps or any other kind of maintenance :)
Congrats on the launch. I can’t wait to try it.
But, I don’t think this is your strongest argument. The APIs for those providers are pretty easy to orchestrate and don’t take that many tokens to use. (Especially if you are hosting on top of one of these providers)
Instead, I think some strengths you could focus on are (a) not being one of those providers, (b) having a better product mix that people want to use, and (c) keeping a minimal design. Clear use-cases, minimal friction, easy to keep the model in your head.
You definitely have a good product here with plenty of reasons to choose you. But your minimal API isn’t a great moat.
This seems like something that could exist as free software and can be easily vibecoded in the form of a pile of scripts. Thanks for the idea!
Could say the same about v1 of OpenRouter which Stripe is acquiring for $7B this week;) [1].
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49323381
You can't vibecode your way to their market capture.
OpenRouter is valuable because it has a large catalogue of competing providers for a fungible service. This does the opposite (lock in with a specific vendor).
Dropbox-esque?
This looks useful. The per-minute billing on persistent VMs solves a real gap between serverless and reserved instances.
One question on the agent fleet pattern you described: when a pilot agent delegates to dozens of sub-agents across separate VMs, how do you track what the whole job actually cost? The VM minutes are visible, but the API calls each agent makes to OpenAI, Anthropic, Serper, Firecrawl, those are spread across processes and vendors.
We ran into this running our own agent fleets. Token counts only come back with the response, so per-key limits and vendor dashboards always arrive too late. focxle sits inside each agent process, attributes every call to a named agent, and prints a consolidated report showing per-agent and per-vendor spend plus the projected monthly at the current rate. That projected number is the one that gets budget attention.
Free to observe, no account, no card, two lines:
```python pip install focxle
import focxle focxle.init()
Does this internally use AWS or is this your own self-hosted environment?
Hi! It sits on top of DigitalOcean. We also have BYOC on the roadmap.
This gives you the best of both worlds: agent native, CLI-first DX with the reliability and performance of a traditional cloud.
What made you choose digital ocean?
YC gives DO credits for startups.
Their machines are good & they have a partnership program that's fast and compatible with the model.
NixOS 25.11 was EOL a month and a half ago. Where's NixOS 26.05?
Ohh nice catch! I'll update to the latest version and republish the base images tomorrow. But in the meantime, you can also just rebuild with the flakes: https://github.com/fdmtl/machine0-nixos
What does this give me that fly.io sprites does not give me?
Hi! You get GPUs, much bigger machines and full control of the VM down to the drivers, kernel etc. It's also a lot cheaper, especially for compute intensive workloads. Also, if you're running agents in the VMs, you get native support for credential and MCP tool injection via profiles. We support NixOS too!
Can you give me a practical example of 3 most deserving use cases? Something that customers are actually using them for today.
Hi! Sure: (1) running agent fleets for software factories, (2) Model training and RL environments orchestrated by agents and (3) as a backend for agentic products and platforms.
What's the roadmap? Any plans for swarm specific tooling, or an backend marketplace (eg aws, hetzner etc).
Yes, we're building more tooling around fleets, starting with profiles that let you manage named sets of credentials and MCP tools outside of the VM. We're also looking to support more backends and also BYOC.
I've hopelessly lost track of the "vm for agents, typically with a handy CLI for people also" space. Fly.io sprites. Modal. Blaxel. Morph. Daytona. Runloop. Ascii Box... I'm surely only scratching the surface. Then there's also the incumbent mega clouds for vms like Digital Ocean, and AWS/GCP/Azure compute instances etc. Also Blaxel is a YC company too?
I need an explainer. Each of these products is carving out a particular niche, or competing directly for someone else's niche with better X or Y, and I'd love to see some analysis of the landscape.
The Profiles idea is the interesting part. Injection at creation is the easy half; the hard half is revocation mid-session. If a credential in a profile rotates or gets pulled while a box is up for days, does the running VM keep the old value until restart? For long horizon agents that window is where the risk actually lives.
Hi! OAuth token refresh is handled within the profile, and will automatically get picked up by agents using it. If you actually want to pull or rotate a credential, you can do that too and re-inject.
The pattern that's increasingly common is having a pilot or orchestrator agent sitting on top of the fleet that manages this.
The profile-plus-orchestrator pattern is a clean answer, and re-inject existing at all puts you ahead of most setups I have seen. The remaining edge: a process that read the credential at boot still holds the old value in memory after a pull. Is re-inject a workload restart, or does something force consumers to re-read? That is the part I have never seen solved cleanly without short TTLs.
I’m currently using Modal for my GPU training workload, how does this differ?
Modal is an ephemeral sandbox, whereas machine0 is a persistent VM you own: root, your own driver/CUDA/kernel, GPU passed straight through, and a fixed GPU per size.
So you are using Modal VMs for training (I assume RL evals?).
What is the hardest part of building this for you?
I have a payments background. So maintaining a very high bar on security, reliability and performance as usage scales is super important.
> from $0.013/hr up to 60 vCPU / 240 GB RAM and GPUs
It ranges from cold to orange! From one earth gravity to 32* Kelvin!
If you’re gonna pretend to give pricing give pricing. If you’d rather hide it, don’t throw out $0.013
“We charge by the minute!”
Makes me mental math how much they actually charge per minute.
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Would you please stop posting these links? You're well over the line into spamming, and we're getting complaints.
You seem to be posting your project/startup constantly under others people's comments/posts.